Online discrimination training at work. Don't upset the transgender person.....but what about women?

[NicoAndTheNiners]

So scenario says John has become Jess and wants to use the women's toilets. Female employees are upset. What should happen?

Official answer was gender reassignment is a protected characteristic so a manager needs to tell the women to shut up, put up and stop being horrible to Jess.

But if sex is also a protected characteristic why does gender reassignment trump sex? I thought we were entitled to single sex toilets. Or at least gender neutral ones with full cubicle doors?

Nb, scenario made no mention of if a gra certificate had been granted but earlier on the training did state it didn't matter at what stage of the reassignment journey a person was. Even if just thinking about it they were protected.

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There's a chance that those training materials were created before the very recent corrections to the EA 2010 guidance (issued 05.1018).

So are the training materials wrong? Am I right in thinking that as a woman I can object to a man/transwoman using female toilets.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transgender-people-no-right-single-sex-spaces-government-penny-mordaunt-toilets-changing-rooms-a8414771.html

This newspaper article suggests I'm right.

Those are reasonable questions OP.

The transition of a gender identity could literally mean anything from full reassignment surgery to merely a name and pronoun change.

The only thing this kind of discrimination training is ever clear about is that women should just shut the fuck up and be nice and they feel uncomfortable or that their rights and dignity are comprised they should suck it up because hurting a man's feelings is worse. Boundaries and consent are bigotry.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Just with added lipstick.

Yes, nothing about treating the women with respect and dignity is there?

I would ask if the training materials have been corrected in line with the amended and corrected guidance. I would also highlight the ambiguity in the terms they're using.

We do actually have gender neutral toilets here and I have no issue with them. So purpose built individual cubicles, fully built in with a sink in. Apart from there being wee on the floor more than I'm used to and the seats get left up I don't have an issue.

I'd prefer traditional toilets but the current situation is better than a traditional toilet set up with biological men in the womens toilets.

Can someone please link to the updated guidance so I can start constructing an email.

Some discussion in this thread - by following links in there, there is probably the link you seek:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3388551-Important-The-Equality-Act-guidance-has-just-changed

I can't find it - I'm confused by the several threads there were at the time. And EHRC has removed their links but updated should be available from here:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/equality-act/equality-act-2010

Reference to it by Julian Norman (barrister) in her speech at HoL's last week:

The perplexed service provider might turn next to the EHRC for guidance. Their website stated categorically until last Friday that it was unlawful to exclude trans women with a GRC from single sex services. It now says that “A business may have a policy about providing its service to transsexual users, but this policy must still be applied on a case-by-case basis” and that a birth certificate proves legal sex. Again, this is ambiguous as it is now silent as to the effect of a GRC. So statute could be argued either way, guidance tends towards female only space being open to biological and legal females, what about case law?

womansplaceuk.org/julian-norman-in-house-of-lords/

Thanks. Will have a look.

Personally gender neutral toilets with seats up and wee on the floor make me sick. I'd rather not drink and hold on until I can access proper sex segregated toilets.