Women should just train harder

[FairfaxAikman]

Peak WokeBro stupidity.

Debating the trans issue on FB and a friend of a friend says the biomechanical differences between men and women should be disregarded on the sports field because women are always saying they can do anything a man can so we should just train harder.

The stupid actually burns with this one.

Mamaryllis
"That’s not at all the same thing as saying ‘feminists believe women are as fast and strong as men’. It’s saying that some women are as capable of doing x job as some men are. And I speak as a 5’2” ex female officer that was frequently accused of cheating by the men in basic training because I was faster and stronger than some of my male peers. Women often have greater pain resilience and ability to withstand different pressures. We are all different.

Should women be allowed to serve in combat roles? Of course. Anyone that meets the standard should be allowed to. Why would you disagree with that?"

The average women is not as strong as the average man, even if they were able to pass the bare minimum fitness tests. The average fitness for the whole unit is therefore lowered. Unless there is an exceptional reason as to why a woman should be allowed in to that particular role then their addition to the unit, on average, will not improve it.

Mamaryllis
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That was because ‘the wives and girlfriends wouldn’t like it’ though. At least it was harder to claim I wasn’t as good I suppose."

If you could keep up with the average member of the team then no, I wouldn't.

"So, WonderFluid, because some feminist(s) some time said that women would be as good as men at front-line combat and they aren't, my dgd shouldn't have a chance at competing in athletics?

Totally fair of course."

No one is stopping your 'dgd' competing in athletics.

DereksSexyPyjamas
"Can I suggest that we not let this get sidetracked into being about front-line combat? It’s a false equivalence, and really quite irrelevant to the subject of women in sport."

Not winning a sports medal because of the 'rights' of low-T trans women on the field of play however is wholly unacceptable because it's unfair and someone might get injured. However some members of this forum seem to think impairing the fitness, and therefore increasing the risk of death, within a combat unit is acceptable because it's their right as they've passed a bare-minimum physical test.

If you can't appreciate the hypocrisy of these two viewpoints being held by the same person, i.e. stating that physical reality is being denied (trans women in sport) and in the same breath, denying it (bio' women in combat roles), then you can't ask for the comparison to stop being made

It goes to the heart of why the OP encountered the sarcastic comment that inspired this thread.

The 'dgd' comment in the above post was Coyoacan's.

wonderfluid

You misunderstand what radical feminism wants. It’s not primarily aimed at equality. It’s aimed at liberation.

We don’t want to be equal within the patriarchy. We want to take the patriarchy down

Meh. Bugger off wonderfluid. Even the guys in my unit knew I was just as capable as them once they got past their internal misogyny. Interesting that you can’t
Your naïveté that discussion about ‘standards’ implies one baseline test instead of months of constant testing to meet a standard tells me you know diddly squat and aren’t really worth detailing the thread for. Nice try though.

Women could train all day and all night, and they will still be beaten by blokes who work half as hard. Because biology

@Bowlofbabelfish
I wasn't trying to explore radfem objectives, nor am I disagreeing with you. However, using radfem's current strategy it would seem you'll have to get past Hannah Mouncey and Co. first before those objectives are achieved.

@Mamaryllis

The exact number of physical tests, or your colleagues eventual resignation to having you amongst them, is irrelevant. Unless taking more than one physical test eventually put you on a par with the physical abilities of the average male in your unit?

Did you just... train harder?

Lol he clearly has no clue about how biology works.

"WokeBro 2 believes transwomen "often" have testosterone levels below that of"cis women" 

This is an assertion that can be tested and verified - and, until he does, it can not be accepted as part of a discussion. His belief is not sufficient."

• HAHAHAHA This is of course not true at all but is a line i see repeated constantly by random TRA s on twitter. It's not true. he'll just have seen another random say it and he repeat it to try to win the argument. He has no idea what he's talking about. Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it.

Another one is that transwomen have periods of experience period pain. Nope. You need a uterus for that, and nope, even pain in your legs and back is referred pain originating from the uterus.

I did exactly the same training... lived together, trained together, ate together, worked together, cleaned together, polished together, ironed together, got tested together... clearly you haven’t ever been in the military lol. It’s not like I had a bucketload of extra time to put MORE effort in lol. In fact, I had less, because the wims had to provide a babysitting service as well.

The only thing we weren’t allowed to do together was serve on the front line. Because vaginas. (Or really, because penises.)

“The average women is not as strong as the average man, even if they were able to pass the bare minimum fitness tests. The average fitness for the whole unit is therefore lowered. ”

I’d strongly encourage you to take a statistics course.

The “average woman” is not being admitted. The woman who is able to meet the requirement is.