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Gilead in the C21: Taliban surge ends schooling for girls

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TimeLady · 17/10/2018 07:49

Very sad to read this

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/taliban-surge-ends-schooling-for-girls-59wsdp63x?shareToken=5b1c2ab4fdd53968edc575a3338be501

We should never let our guard down and take things for granted.

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BeUpStanding · 17/10/2018 07:54

Yes I just read that too. It makes me angry and heartbroken how women and girls are denied an education in so many parts of the world

SonEtLumiere · 17/10/2018 08:08

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 10:42

That is very sad. I think Afghanistan is an example of how quickly the rights of women can be taken away - compare the country now to the way it was 2 or 3 generations ago.

You're right, we can never let our guard down.

OvaHere · 17/10/2018 10:46

That is very sad. I think Afghanistan is an example of how quickly the rights of women can be taken away - compare the country now to the way it was 2 or 3 generations ago.

You're right, we can never let our guard down.

Yes a terrifying reminder. So tragic for the women and girls that live there.

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/10/2018 10:46

Horrendous :(

OvaHere · 17/10/2018 10:52

On a related an also worrying note I've noticed recently just how many internet comments (youtube etc..) that explicitly call for voting rights for women to be repealed. They seem to be mostly US right wing, I tell myself this couldn't happen but you look at places like Afghanistan and realise it's possible.

There is a lot of 'this couldn't happen' happening currently.

PackingSoap · 17/10/2018 11:02

You know, it's so weird.

When I heard they were making the Handmaid's Tale for TV, the first thing I thought was "oh shit, it will give them ideas."

I thought I was being paranoid at the time.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2018 11:35

Bump.

Woman hating at its most extreme.

Has anyone seen this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Breadwinner_(film)

It is very sad.

The comments were cuntish. The first asked where 'me too' was, implying that 'me too' was just a bunch of women with first world problems.

I wish I knew what to do to help more.

Theswaggyotter · 17/10/2018 11:41

Agree, the comments were all very much against feminists/ women in the West. Why are women always to blame for the actions of men? (Rhetorical question)

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/10/2018 13:09

There is a lot of 'this couldn't happen' happening currently.

I used to live as a student with a girl who had escaped Sarajevo during the siege. As well as what actually happened being traumatic, her entire world view was shaken by the fact that people who had been cordial neighbours started killing each other. She said that that breaking of all that was normal and accepted was as bad as her personal circumstances.

When people used to trot out the ‘it could never happen’ about stuff, she had a pretty good argument that actually, it could.

scepticalwoman · 17/10/2018 13:28

Awful and terrifying,

Iused2BanOptimist · 17/10/2018 13:53

Bowl I remember listening to an interview with Isabel Allende saying just the same thing. The shock of neighbour turning against neighbour and she cautioned that it CAN happen anywhere. It's also a theme of the civil war in Nigeria, in the novel Half of a Yellow Sun, with Olanna witnessing the murder of her beloved Auntie and narrowly escaping herself.
It is a chilling thought especially when we have been privileged to live in a peaceful country.
I can certainly think of some people who would be pleased to join the other side given a chance.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 14:13

I used to live as a student with a girl who had escaped Sarajevo during the siege. As well as what actually happened being traumatic, her entire world view was shaken by the fact that people who had been cordial neighbours started killing each other. She said that that breaking of all that was normal and accepted was as bad as her personal circumstances.

I used to have neighbour who escaped from Kosovo who said much the same, people who'd lived side by side for their entire lives turned on each. She went from being a highly qualified professional with a comfortable life, to fleeing to safety with her family in a frighteningly short period of time.

PackingSoap · 17/10/2018 20:18

I used to live as a student with a girl who had escaped Sarajevo during the siege. As well as what actually happened being traumatic, her entire world view was shaken by the fact that people who had been cordial neighbours started killing each other. She said that that breaking of all that was normal and accepted was as bad as her personal circumstances.

When people used to trot out the ‘it could never happen’ about stuff, she had a pretty good argument that actually, it could.

Today is a day for weirdness for me, it seems.

I was in Sarajevo on an aid project just after the agreement. One night, it started raining as I was walking back to digs. I turned a corner by the old Holiday Inn, and for a minute, the whole place felt like Manchester. It was uncanny.

And I started thinking: what if this was Manchester? And that thought has always haunted me, because I could see how it might happen. One stupid policy, one event, one disaster...that can be all it takes.

My grandfather was from a country where something beyond the pale occurred and he always said that you had to be careful, that it really doesn't take very much. For him, there was just an announcement on the radio, everything went quiet and then two weeks later, his father was taken away at gunpoint. Two weeks after, they came back for him and his mother and siblings. A month prior, life had been normal.

I think Brits don't tend to understand this because we're an island. We have that protection. And mainland Britain was never invaded during the Second World War, so we never had that experience of a hostile force in the country that sought to oppress us and an administration that loathed us.

So all this, I think, has been a bit of an eye-opener.

MIdgebabe · 17/10/2018 20:44

Germany in the 1930’s, after hitler came to power,, Jews were kicked out of employment .. days not months. And people were just so scared they went along with it.

ToeToToe · 17/10/2018 21:40

Horrifying. Just feel so sad and powerless for women under these regimes.

I can never get over, and will never get over the photos of Iranian women in the 70s wearing western clothes, and today, wearing full burkhas/niqaabs. Women's rights can never, ever be taken for granted.

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 21:51

Honestly, this is one of the reasons I am so cheered by the GC people I have met being so willing to really investigate things and work with people they disagree with about other things.

It's all too easy to bumble along on the surface without realising that the neighbours next door who you take parcels in for are deeply suspicious of you and should something rise up in a totalitarian manner, they might be round with a rolling pin to knock you out.

The fact that people do still exist that understand it's possible to profoundly disagree but still see someone else's humanity and worth is sometimes all that is holding society together, I think. It's one of the reasons I'm engaged with this currently with such passion.

Lord help those women under the Taliban. And help us to be vigilant to any and all creeping challenges to women's rights, and whatever that might lead to for the rest of society.

silentcrow · 17/10/2018 21:54

Just appalling. Afghanistan and Iran break my heart on a regular basis. Marjane Satrap's graphic novel Perseopolis is well worth a read re Iran.

Soap I think you're right, we do very much have an "it can't happen here" attitude. It's 1000 years or so since we were last properly invaded and took on massive cultural change (Norman invasion). We're also sheltered from destructive weather and haven't experienced civil war since the Roundheads. We have no clue how to handle the idea that our neighbours and families could turn on us; or what we'd do if the internet was turned off; how we'd live after a disaster. This current mess makes me think of Maoist China more than anything else, but you can see elements of authoritarianism from many historical experiences creeping in here.

FermatsTheorem · 17/10/2018 22:04

I'm reading a fascinating book at the moment, about outsiders' views of Germany in the twenties and thirties (tourists, students, diplomats, etc). The question the book asks is "what would all this have looked like to you at the time, without the benefit of hindsight?" It's a very, very interesting question to pose.

www.amazon.co.uk/Travellers-Third-Reich-Fascism-Everyday-ebook/dp/B06Y63WXM7?linkCode=xm2&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&creativeASIN=B06Y63WXM7&tag=mumsnetforum-21&creative=165953&camp=2025

And it is shocking how fast it happens. As a grad student I went on a summer school in Dubrovnik, when it was still part of Yugoslavia, and made friends with both Serb and Croat students attending the school. Fast forward a couple of years, and I watched the building where the summer school was held burn to the ground on the BBC news.

Then it got worse - a faction of Serbs tried to commit genocide. In Europe in the 1990s. Only a handful of years after we'd all watched the Berlin wall come down and felt like the future was positive. (And Francis Fukuyama published "The End of History" which feels like an exercise in irony now.)

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 22:35

FermatsTheorem I remember when I first read 'The End of History' wondering if it was an elaborate joke.

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