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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Norfolk Police investigating "transphobic" stickers

24 replies

WillNotBeSilenced · 17/10/2018 00:28

Do we think Norfolk Police will be as over-zealous as a certain northern force or will this whole thing peak trans them?

www.edp24.co.uknews/stickers-posted-around-uea-campus-labelled-as-transphobic-1-5737480

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Prestonsflowers · 17/10/2018 00:36

Unbelievable.
Students have been offered support in case these stickers have affected them
FFS
This is utterly ridiculous
Female is not a feeling=Transphobia

Socrates11 · 17/10/2018 00:55

Suggesting anything other than what I'm telling you these hateful, hateful stickers means just won't do. I'm the Thought Police and you'll think as you're told...
....hmmm this Uni might not the best place for critical thinkers to go...

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 00:56

extract:
The UEA students’ union said the messages portray “abhorrent transphobia”.

Norfolk police confirmed it was investigating the incident, while the UEA said staff would provide support and advice to anyone affected by the notes.

The person responsible for the stickers is believed to be a blogger who has been contacted for comment.

A UEA students’ union spokesman said: “To suggest that these stickers are any other than transphobic statements is to give a platform to hateful messages which aim to other and discriminate against members of the UEA community.

“Hateful stickers stuck to lamppost and posters are not the start of a debate they are simply that – hateful messages.”

The union said it also condemned the “anti-sex worker sentiment” portrayed in some of the stickers.

It added: “The people carrying out these actions are wilful in their failure to distinguish between individuals who choose to and those who are forced to participate in this type of work – frankly this is disrespectful and anti-feminist.” (continues)

IdaBWells · 17/10/2018 01:00

Universities are losing all credibility to call stickers "othering".

R0wantrees · 17/10/2018 01:02

'Academics are being harassed over their research into transgender issues
It is not transphobic to investigate this area from a range of critical perspectives, say 54 academics who are also concerned about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act'

(extract)
"We represent a newly formed network of over 100 academics, most of whom are currently employed in UK universities. We are concerned, from a range of academic perspectives, about proposed governmental reforms to the Gender Recognition Act, and their interaction with the Equality Act.

Our subject areas include: sociology, philosophy, law, criminology, evidence-informed policy, medicine, psychology, education, history, English, social work, computer science, cognitive science, anthropology, political science, economics, and history of art. This week, following an opportunity offered to us by Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, we have submitted to the consultation a number of letters, outlining, as individuals, concerns about the introduction of self-ID for gender reassignment.

We are also concerned about the suppression of proper academic analysis and discussion of the social phenomenon of transgenderism, and its multiple causes and effects. Members of our group have experienced campus protests, calls for dismissal in the press, harassment, foiled plots to bring about dismissal, no-platforming, and attempts to censor academic research and publications. Such attacks are out of line with the ordinary reception of critical ideas in the academy, where it is normally accepted that disagreement is reasonable and even productive.

Many of our universities have close links with trans advocacy organisations who provide “training” of academics and management, and who, it is reasonable to suppose, influence university policy through these links. Definitions used by these organisations of what counts as “transphobic” can be dangerously all-encompassing and go well beyond what a reasonable law would describe. They would not withstand academic analysis, and yet their effect is to curtail academic freedom and facilitate the censoring of academic work." (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396754-Academics-letter-in-Guardian

Iused2BanOptimist · 17/10/2018 06:22

Stickers make people feel unsafe but this paedophile is has a place at university and in student accommodation reserved for him.

twitter.com/gjdiebelius/status/1052215287272153088?s=21

SonEtLumiere · 17/10/2018 06:36

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EverardDigby · 17/10/2018 07:01

Everyone should feel safe and welcome on our campus and in our community

The stickers would make me feel more safe because as a survivor of child and adult abuse from men I would know there was someone around that took my safety seriously.

Oh wait, that doesn't count as I'm not a man.

BrickByBrick · 17/10/2018 07:21

The union said it also condemned the “anti-sex worker sentiment” portrayed in some of the stickers.

It added: “The people carrying out these actions are wilful in their failure to distinguish between individuals who choose to and those who are forced to participate in this type of work – frankly this is disrespectful and anti-feminist.” (continues)

Am I reading this right? Feminists should be embracing sex work as a valid career choice, one which is made purely of a woman's own volition?

GCAcademic · 17/10/2018 07:33

Everyone should feel safe and welcome on our campus and in our community

I cannot begin to describe how sick I am of the hijacking of the word “safe”, and its application to people’s feelings. This kind of language is being wielded in universities across the country as a tool of power. It’s political, and it’s about shutting down views that do not align exactly with your own.

BrickByBrick · 17/10/2018 07:37

Everyone should feel safe and welcome on our campus and in our community

They really don't see the irony in that do they.

groundcontroltomontydon · 17/10/2018 07:47

Everyone should feel safe and welcome on our campus and in our community
So women are now excluded from the term 'everyone'. How is the state's erasure of women anything other than genocide? This needs to be challenged in court and now.

sashh · 17/10/2018 07:58

I think maybe we need other stickers to be posted along side with things like, "rainbow's are pretty', 'bluebells appear in spring'.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 08:04

Just hoping this bollocks is sorted before dd goes to uni

Ds1 IS at uni but as the 'gay men preferring penis are transphobic' is beginning to trickle down he has no fucking patience for dumb statements.

TimeLady · 17/10/2018 08:19

Student Unions and their infantile politics were largely ignored by most of us back in the day. Things don't seem to have improved.

I chuckled when I saw that comments had been disabled on that article. - I can just imagine what they might have said Grin

EverardDigby · 17/10/2018 08:40

My DD will be off to uni soon, I have tried to encourage her to be GC though I actually now wonder whether that just sets her up to be angry all the time.

Manderleyagain · 17/10/2018 09:44

The University itself (not the Students Union) said

“We encourage all members of the UEA community to report any incidents that they experience or witness so that appropriate action can be taken. In addition, our staff in Student Services are ready to provide support and advice to anyone who has been affected by these posters.” Blimey. I would be interested to know what the other stickers said. Its possible the paper chose the least strong ne to make the students union sound as barmy as possible.

The trans rights side of this is positioned as the religion, and the GC side are positioned as the atheists. When I was at uni if someone had stuck posters saying 'Jesus does not save' 'god doesn't exist' or whatever I'm sure the Christian Union would have tried to bully the University into condemning, saying it made the campus unsafe for Christians (or whatever the terminology would have been back then) but I'm not sure the university would have agreed.

'Female is not a feeling' is also a belief (which most of the population share). Any students who believe this strongly should sue the university for having their right to a deeply held belief impinged. The problem is, going down this route makes it a case of 'two beliefs' when one is in fact a fact.

Dragon3 · 17/10/2018 10:31

Students often try out extreme ideas, so the student union response is unsurprising.

But the university itself! And the police! Do they realise how labelling 'female is not a feeling' as transphobic minimises actual hate speech?

This particular material fact can be supported by an overwhelming wealth of evidence. Supporting the idea that female is a feeling makes them look utterly deranged.

Not to mention creating an oppressive atmosphere for females who feel threatened by genderism and silenced by those in charge.

This university needs a debating society, PDQ. I doubt they'd allow it.

Manderleyagain · 17/10/2018 11:21

Not to mention creating an oppressive atmosphere for females who feel threatened by genderism and silenced by those in charge. Yes.

liquidrevolution · 17/10/2018 11:24

I'm afraid Norfolk police are a crock of shite.

RuddyTrees · 17/10/2018 11:42

Don't forget they're already v busy interviewing Glinner for shock calling a biological male a man. I'm at two gigs this month at the UEA and The Waterfront; time to get my WOMEN DON'T HAVE PENISES stickers out...

RuddyTrees · 17/10/2018 11:49

@Liquid They don't have a lot to do now they've solved ALL the crimes, made Prince of Wales Road into a lovely safe area and stopped the drug dealing & prostitution on Rosary Road. #NorfolkPolice are therefore right to investigate whether the menz feelz are made hurty by a UEA blogger (and DM me, blogger - I will buy you a pint) saying that you can't say you're a woman on the basis of feeling like a woman.
I loved the UEA for the debates, critical thinking and cheap beer. I hope the beer is still cheap 'cos the rest has gone to Woke heaven, it seems.

RuddyTrees · 17/10/2018 11:59

Since comments are disabled on the article on the EDP website, the journalist will never get a counter opinion. Why are comments disabled, I wonder??

liquidrevolution · 17/10/2018 15:04

@RuddyTrees

They've taken up inventing crimes. My poor cousin was under suspicion for 5 months for something she clearly didn't do. They told her employer for no real reason and she lost her job due to security checks and she had only started the week before.

No apology either.

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