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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Missinfomstion by C Burns MBE

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Janie143 · 16/10/2018 13:22

[https://rightsinfo.org/change-your-passport-fill-in-a-form-you-dont-need-a-doctors-diagnosis/]

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BreakWindandFire · 16/10/2018 13:26

From the same site GRA Reform – We’re Listening To The Voices Most Affected - but the entire article doesn't mention women!

BreakWindandFire · 16/10/2018 13:30

And this

I said, “one of the reasons the government don’t know much about trans people is there aren’t any trans MPs”. This was genuinely a shock and a disappointment to her. She thought carefully. With wide eyes, a look of worry and sadness, she chose her words carefully: “Do you mean trans people are not allowed to be MPs?” That little question broke my heart.

That {birth certificate}shames her. It humiliates her, it takes away her power. Having no right to correct her birth certificate teaches her today, now, that she is less valid, less equal, that she should expect to be treated as lesser, as a second class citizen. It teaches her that people can disrespect her and restrict her rights. It teaches her that she should lower her ambitions and dream small. If her government won’t treat her with respect, why would she expect anyone else to respect her rights. Why should she respect herself?

Hmm
Didactylos · 16/10/2018 13:57

Correcting that last paragraph a bit

That a natal female has no right to name or define herself and the reality of her female body shames her. It humiliates her, it takes away her power. Having no right to correct men who claim her identity teaches her today, now, that she is less valid, less equal, that she should expect to be treated as lesser, as a second class citizen. It teaches her that men who claim to be women can disrespect her and restrict her rights, and that her identity is subject to their approval with no right of self definition. It teaches her that she should lower her ambitions and dream small, and live within the confines of the gender roles that men have assigned to her. If her government won’t treat her with respect, and allow her female biology to be recognised and her lived female experience acknowledged, why would she expect anyone else to respect her rights? Why should she respect herself?

PositiveVibez · 16/10/2018 14:05

I said, “one of the reasons the government don’t know much about trans people is there aren’t any trans MPs”. This was genuinely a shock and a disappointment to her. She thought carefully. With wide eyes, a look of worry and sadness, she chose her words carefully: “Do you mean trans people are not allowed to be MPs?” That little question broke my heart

Oh but there are officers that are trans. Quite a few actually. Usually telling us to suck their lady cock.

Missinfomstion by C Burns MBE
FlippinFumin · 16/10/2018 14:11

You have to fill out forms and stuff and get checked in order to be an MP. No self identifying as one and you are magically sat in the HofC.

Micke · 16/10/2018 14:12

That {birth certificate}shames her. It humiliates her, it takes away her power. Having no right to correct her birth certificate teaches her today, now, that she is less valid, less equal, that she should expect to be treated as lesser, as a second class citizen.

Only because that's what you're teaching!

My DS has different details on his birth certificate to the ones used day to day - I just tell him why! It makes no bloody difference to him at all!

The only reason it would make a difference is if you were being prevented from doing something - and there's virtually nothing that females/males are prevented from doing because of their sex (well, that their sex doesn't cause anyway), the only reason it's a thing, is you're making a sad face and telling the child that it's a thing.

Talk about give me a child until the age of 7 and I'll show you the adult..

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 14:15

CHristine Burns (Press For Change) interviewed in 2013:
(extract)
"Much of their [Press for Change] campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press" (continues)

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

OvaHere · 16/10/2018 14:25

You have to be voted for by the general public to be an MP. This is where it falls down for them because of the examples I've seen they are 24/7 about trans issues which I imagine puts people off.

BettyDuMonde · 16/10/2018 17:56

I hope that mother went on to give her kid a potted history of the two parliamentary chambers and a thorough explanation of the first past the post electoral system?

Followed by a breakdown of MPs by class, sex, ethnic heritage, age, disability status, sexuality and educational background, and an explanation as to how pretty much everyone apart from straight, white, public/grammar school educated, old men are under represented.

When we get to 50% female MPs in the House of Commons we can retire all-women-shortlists and have all-minority shortlist’s instead.

Should only take another 100 years or so.

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