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Universal Credit driving women to prostitution.

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HelenaDove · 15/10/2018 17:21

Universal Credit driving women to prostitution.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/universal-credit-driving-women-prostitution-13420230?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6278069/Furious-clashes-Universal-Credit-MP-claims-driving-women-PROSTITUTES.html

but it fell on deaf ears.

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HelenaDove · 15/10/2018 18:27

Frank Field claims botched universal credit roll out is forcing some women into prostitution
Peter Walker

Peter Walker

Esther McVey has strongly hinted that she is pressuring Philip Hammond for more money for universal credit and other benefits in this month’s budget, telling MPs she would be “championing” the needs of claimants.

In the first departmental question session since McVey herself conceded that the wider rollout of UC would see some claimants worse off, the work and pension secretary saw several questions about UC and the impact of the wider benefits freeze.

Neil Gray, the SNP’s work and pensions spokesman, asked McVey is she had asked the chancellor for more funding for UC in the budget. She answered:

Of course I don’t let people know what we do in private meetings, old fashioned as that might be. But what he can know is I am championing UC to make sure that it works the best it can possibly can work. Take from that as you will.

She reiterated the point when Labour MP Karen Buck asked if McVey was seeking to alleviate the benefits freeze. McVey said:

Again, I won’t be saying exactly what I’ve been saying in private conversations, but you can sure I will be championing our claimants, and making sure that what we do is fair to claimants and the taxpayer.

The exchanges also saw an eye-catching intervention from Frank Field, the veteran Labour – and now independent – MP who chairs the work and pension committee. He said that some women in his Birkenhead constituency had been pushed into sex work because of the local rollout of UC.

Urging McVey to visit the area, Field said that in Birkenhead ”it’s not going as well as we’re told in the House of Commons, and where some women have taken to the red light district for the first time.

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OvaHere · 15/10/2018 18:39

I'd like to think this will make people care but seeing as sex work is now touted at some uni jobs fairs as a good way to pay through university I don't have a lot of hope for outrage at the poorest women resorting to prostitution.

The more I hear about UC the worse it sounds.

HelenaDove · 15/10/2018 18:42

There is an MNer on these boards who had to do it a couple of times because of UC.

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Weezol · 16/10/2018 02:13

I'm dreading (for which read: fucking terrifed) UC rollout in my area - it's a good way off thankfully. I'm hoping that it all falls to pieces before it ever happens.

I live on the edge of a red light district and I'm expecting to see new faces after rollout.

The women working on the streets here are beyond poor. The whole 'woke' bullshit about 'choices' is infuriating.

Anyone who thinks that getting in a car with a stranger for £10 is a free choice needs to have a word with themselves. Choices are for those with the luxury of alternatives.

Socrates11 · 16/10/2018 02:56

Ken Loach included prostitution in his 2016 film 'I Daniel Blake' after researching many stories. The grim reality of being so skint you will do anything to get money.

From 2017 a Big Issue article showing how things had not improved for poor people.
www.bigissue.com/culture/one-year-after-i-daniel-blake-what-has-changed/

The Tories cannot bear the poor. Better if they just disappear... 😡

Belina · 16/10/2018 04:53

The whole point of UC was to make people come off benefits and be broke because they cannot budget and will spend their rent money
Its temptation however nobody forces anyone to fuck for money it's a choice and I use to be a stripper.
I was a stripper out of choice because my body and looks were good and I didnt want to work in McDonalds or be a cleaner.

QuentinWinters · 16/10/2018 07:46

Get lost belina
I have seen mothers soliciting drivers in Africa where that was their only option to feed themselves and their children some days.
I also knew someone who died as a direct result of cock ups with their switch from ESA to UC.

It is fucking disgusting that in a country as rich as ours women are being forced to sell themselves due to government policy Angry

Weezol · 16/10/2018 10:48

Belina I became disabled and physically unable to work. I will be forced on to UC eventually. I will be poorer.

I miss working and am living on the margins as it is. I am very, very good with money and have no debt. I live within my means.

I'll still end up on UC.

Weezol · 16/10/2018 10:50

And there's a huge difference between stripping and street prostitution.

If I was physically able, I'd strip instead of being on benefits.

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Melanippe · 16/10/2018 16:16

I live in an area which trialled UC.

UC has fuck all to do with people being unable to budget, so stop being a twat Belina. It's increased poverty here exponentially. And wherever you increase poverty, you increase the numbers of women forced to sell themselves to make ends meet. And they're doing this on top of their other work. I know women who have had to turn down pay rises because they wouldn't cover the extra £200 a month they'd lose from changing to UC nor can they afford to be without their benefits for the 6 week minimum time if they want to be able to feed their children.

People who imply that these women are feckless and should be selling themselves should get in the fucking sea.

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HelenaDove · 16/10/2018 16:21

"Angela Murphy, executive director of Tomorrow’s Women Wirral, which is committed to reducing female imprisonment and supports more than 6,000 women, said Field visited the centre a few weeks ago.

During the visit, she spoke to him about concerns from women she met during an outreach project with Merseyside police.

“There was a couple of women who spoke about it. One said she hadn’t been out sex working for a long but because of Universal Credit she felt she had no choice and had to go out [to do it] again.

“I hear what Esther McVey is saying about the job coaches but we are talking about women who are nowhere near job ready so these are people who are literally living hand to mouth, it’s that type of survival.”

She said she is hopeful the Field’s question will make a difference.

“Whether you love him or hate him, Frank Field has a voice and he makes his voice known and you know when things affect his constituency, he does speak up about it so it was good that he has taken it forward,” she said."

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HelenaDove · 25/10/2018 00:40

Single mums talked to Frank Field today. Including about the problems with paying childcare upfront.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/single-mums-reveal-true-horror-13472913?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

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BlackForestCake · 25/10/2018 00:43

Frank Field is a Tory piece of shit, I wouldn't expect any help from him.

QuentinWinters · 25/10/2018 12:10

Omfg helena that's shocking. How could anyone design a system expecting people to.pay nursery fees upfront and wait 5 weeks for payment? And wtf is that about different expectations for salaried employees?
It makes me so angry that the Tories cam do this then point to the massive squirrel that's brexit in the hope No One notices Angry

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HelenaDove · 28/10/2018 16:25

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/universal-credit-benefit-mess-forced-15303104 "forced my wife into prostitution"

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dontalltalkatonce · 28/10/2018 16:26

The whole point of UC was to make people come off benefits and be broke because they cannot budget and will spend their rent money

Bullshit. The point of UC is to punish people for being poor. Claiming that everyone who is to be moved onto UC, the vast majority of whom are working, is such stupid and ignorant bollocks it almost doesn't merit an intelligent response.

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 · 29/10/2018 19:11

Austerity policies suck. No two ways about it.

megletthesecond · 29/10/2018 19:14

How out of touch can they be to think that working parents have enough money to pay a months nursery fees up front Angry.

dontalltalkatonce · 29/10/2018 19:36

How out of touch can they be to think that working parents have enough money to pay a months nursery fees up front angry.

Or that someone who's already on the breadline can live with no money coming in for at least 5 weeks. I mean, anyone who bothered to clue up about this would already know that housing benefit is paid in arrears, 3-4 weeks in arrears, so when you yank that benefit the person is already in rent arrears.

But because Tories are cunts, they are determined to ramrod this through. Because they'd rather have it blow up than admit it's just ideologically driven punishment, not meant to save money at all and they won't be the ones in the line of shrapnel.

Badgerthebodger · 29/10/2018 19:50

It actually makes me feel sick with fear. I have recently become disabled and had to give up my job. We don’t have UC yet but I’m absolutely terrified about how we are going to manage, we’re in a private rental and I’m in no doubt whatsoever that the landlord will have us out if we have a gap in payments. I think it’s disgusting, it’s basically just stripping money from people who have nothing already, and when there’s no more money to take you start stripping them of their dignity.

dontalltalkatonce · 29/10/2018 19:54

I have recently become disabled and had to give up my job. We don’t have UC yet but I’m absolutely terrified about how we are going to manage, we’re in a private rental and I’m in no doubt whatsoever that the landlord will have us out if we have a gap in payments.

Apparently you are supposed to be able to save a thousand or two from your already capped benefits to cover this gap (or perhaps have the same access to credit that wealthy people have) or you're somehow some scrounger on the make. Hence, they will never reverse the at least 5 week wait, because you're being punished, because of course, you didn't save because you didn't want to and you drink/smoke/gamble/have Sky/a mobile (which you need to claim UC at all).

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