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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)

60 replies

fizzthecat1 · 15/10/2018 13:32

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1051509684220424193

So we're all bigots for daring to have a problem with male rapists being allowed in prisons. Don't these idiots realise that self ID is a sexual predators dream and so open to abuse?

It's pure misogyny that our safety is less important than mens feelings.

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gendercritter · 15/10/2018 14:56

He really isn't that bright is he?

LangCleg · 15/10/2018 14:56

Can I steal this as a conversation closer, please?

But of course!

hipsterfun · 15/10/2018 14:57
Grin
3TresTrois · 15/10/2018 15:00

'its really sad'

It is sad that you are so threatened by women wanting to discuss issues that affect women, Owen. Very, very SAD.

BiologyIsReal · 15/10/2018 15:08

Whenever his name comes up I just have a vision of a prep school boy in short trousers....

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:12

Squealer dodging the safeguarding issue like a Spanish bullfighter there.

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:15

"Squealer" is such an appropriate nickname for him, it really is. (I didn't think one could top "Sanctimonious Morph", but I think this does.)

Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 15:18

Owen Jones likes to believe that he is much cleverer than he is.

See, this is the thing. The issues with self ID are so glaringly obvious, so in your face apparent, that anyone who doesn't have a problem with the GRA proposals must either not understand them, or understand them perfectly well but not give a shit about the impact they will have on women.

I wonder which one Owen is?

Floisme · 15/10/2018 15:19

Somewhere at the back of my bookcase I still have a copy of 'The Establishment.' I know, I know but hear me out. What I really do think is a bit sad is that in those days (at least this is how I remember it) Owen Jones didn't patronise or name-call or block people who disagreed with him - he went out and talked to them instead. He seemed genuinely interested in hearing opposing points of view.

It was one of the things that impressed me about the book. What the hell happened?

tenbob · 15/10/2018 15:20

OMFG

In the replies, someone has said of their trans friend "When she started with the hormones she actually started tidying"

There is really no reasoning with that level of stupidity and dogged adherence to ladybrain stereotyping, is there

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:23

Floisme
Yes, he's also had videod conversations with Douglas Carswell, Peter Hitchens and Alistair Campbell.

It's good for opposite sides to at least understand each other's arguments rather than just hurl abuse. Looks like we'll need a stand-in for Owen though.

Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:24

tenbob
'After a couple of weeks they started exhibiting an interest in interior furnishings'.

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:24

I think one of the things you have to remember about quite clever but not brilliant people (used to teach philosophy many aeons ago) is that if they are a contrarian bent, there is nothing they like more than to devote their considerable intelligence to "squaring the circle". Defending the indefensible, going against the common herd, is their idea of fun.

I think it goes something like this. Common sense tells us the world is flat and the sun moves across the sky (after all, the horizon looks pretty flat) and it took some very clever thinkers to establish, in the face of considerable opposition, that it was round and in fact goes round the sun.

Therefore (dodgy logic follows - but I really think this is part of what is going on in their heads) if I can be the one to show that other common sense views are wrong (and remember, a lot of common sense views are pretty right - like stones fall, humans are a sexually dimorphic species...) I will become as famous as Galileo. Oh, and furthermore, the people telling me I am wrong are as evil as the Spanish Inquisition.

It's a form of extreme intellectual arrogance. "I can prove the little people are wrong and show them just by the brilliance of my mind that stones fall upwards..."

EverardDigby · 15/10/2018 15:25

"When she started with the hormones she actually started tidying"

I think I might need some more lady hormones, can I get them on the basis of not being "feminine" enough?

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/10/2018 15:29

Shush about the hormones
Tidying FFS

tenbob · 15/10/2018 15:31

Everard, I'm going to have to try and find the words to use to break it to DH that he is in fact nothing more than a ladybrained woman

His ability to keep our house clean is just too clear a sign for us to ignore any longer...

Elephantinacravat · 15/10/2018 15:32

In the replies, someone has said of their trans friend "When she started with the hormones she actually started tidying"

Well fuck me I'm definitely a bloke then, I mustnt have any female hormones at all!

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:33

Congratulations on your new lesbian relationship tenbob. I on the other hand clearly need to get my GP to up the dosage on my HRT as my house looks like a bomb has hit it. And it's currently in one of its tidier phases.

Floisme · 15/10/2018 15:34

Yes, he's also had videod conversations with Douglas Carswell, Peter Hitchens and Alistair Campbell.

Yes I think I remember the Peter Hitchens interview and how he (OJ) starts off by saying that he liked Hitchens and had enjoyed talking to him. Has he ever done one with a woman who disagrees with him? I can't recall any.

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/10/2018 15:38

Does he lower himself to talk to women?

DeRigueurMortis · 15/10/2018 15:41

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Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)
Freespeecher · 15/10/2018 15:41

I wish he would opt more for a conversation between two people looking for mutual enlightenment. As it is he looks for the win via rhetorical bulldozer more than anything else. Talking over people, deflecting, strawmanning... all sorts of low (and increasingly desperate) tricks.

LangCleg · 15/10/2018 15:42

It's a form of extreme intellectual arrogance.

It is. Although, frankly, I think Owen is just thick but had the right parents with the right left hierarchy connections and the right sharp elbows to get him a posh education. Over-educated and under-intelligent is how I'd describe Owen. He's not even that good a writer. Laurie Penny, much as I can't stand her, has at least a good turn of phrase. The only thing Owen has in abundance is sanctimony. I often wonder what Chaucer would have made of him.

FermatsTheorem · 15/10/2018 15:45

Time for that still of Owen Jones meeting Alistair Campbell. (The video is even funnier, if you can track it down.)

Owen Jones back at in again (trans issues)
FekkoTheLawyer · 15/10/2018 15:47

Just realised that's not a cigarette holder he has in his hand. I haven't read as I don't think he's actually real. Has to be performance art like Ali G or Dennis Pennis?