I don't think Corbyn cares about the Trans debate

[Freespeecher]

He tends to be more about foreign affairs, such as recognising Palestine.
I don't think McDonnell cares either. He's more about the class struggle and wealth redistribution.

So if it isn't the top two, where is the current ultra-woke self-ID malaise emanating from? Easy to say Momentum but that's only partially correct - the Blairites focused on a lot of social reforms (lowering age of gay consent etc) if only because it kept the troops happy while keeping taxes low (dismounts from hobby horse).

So my (overlong) point is, the problem isn't just with the new lot, it goes back further than that (and if Peter Mandelson had managed to reach his 'post-democratic age' then self-ID would have been on the books and there's nothing anyone could have done about it).

So where now? Maybe it'll take an almighty party implosion and Tom Watson and Caroline Flint rebuilding pragmatic Labour from the ground up. I suspect Frank Field had something like this in mind when he backed Corbyn.

Finally, I've never been a Labour member but would be interested to hear from those who once were.

It's a very good point.

I don't think Corbyn & McDonnell are 'true believers' on the trans question but they are more than willing to capitulate to those who are.

Take Dawn Butler for example, she is Shadow Women & Equalities Minister. She is vocally pro-trans, she even tweeted about this yesterday. She was also close with Munroe Bergdorf, who advised her until she was sacked for her incendiary comments...

Then there's the infamous Lily Madigan, who proudly boasts that she is the 'first trans to be Labour women's officer'. She has been strongly supported by Angela Rayner, who is Shadow Secretary for Education.

It goes on and on...Corbyn may not care about the trans question but he's happy to let those who do lead the policy agenda.

That's the problem.

I agree he probably doesn't care that much one way or another. It's not really his 'thing'. He probably is just happy to let the more zealous members run with it.

There is nothing about Corbyn that suggests he really wants to win elections or actually run the country, I think he just likes the elevated platform that being party leader brings to his philosophy and ideologies.

He seems like a profession rebel and agitator, having responsibility for the country and an expectation that he will sort it out I imagine would be a bit of a nightmare for him. The minute you take that power you are the establishment and the status quo and your underdog status is gone.

*professional