Self ID questions

[TwistedStitch]

I've just come across somebody on twitter encouraging people to support self ID because they are desperate to have their gender legally recognized but won't 'demean' themselves by applying for a GRC. I've seen others saying similar before, stuff about not wanting to 'lower' themselves or prove themselves to a doctor etc.

I've also seen LM stating that self ID is vital for them to be able to marry as their true gender- I'm unsure why LM cannot currently apply for a GRC.

I've seen TRAs arguing that the process is punitive as not every trans person has dysphoria- silly question but if you don't have dysphoria how are you trans?

I guess I'm wondering- is the real push for self ID because many who support it know that they don't meet the current criteria for a GRC? Also if something is as fundamental to your identity as this apparently is why wouldn't you engage with the process as it is now? It feels like those who have genuine dysphoria will take these steps. Then there are those who either don't meet the medical diagnosis or want to put in any effort but will jump at self ID because it is easy.

How can this not be open to abuse?

I don’t have any particular sensation of being a woman, other than the inevitable sensations from living in a female body.

Weird isn't it? I do wonder what it would be like to "try on" a different body? Would I still feel like myself if I had a man's body say? How much of "me" is as a result of my physical body and how much from my brain?

No point to this really, I'll never know the answers. Just interesting what thinking about the whole gender ID subject throws up.

I can understand how your outward appearance can appear different to your idea of your inner self. Is this a type of dysphoria? There clearly is more for humans to learn about being a human.

Well, the mind body connection is quite an interesting topic in general. I'm very much afflicted with a sense that I don't really belong in my life, the good, successful bits of it at any rate. Objectively I'm very good at my job, I'm intelligent, reasonably fit and healthy, but I do struggle with an abiding sense of not really deserving the place I've got to or the respect I'm accorded by my colleagues.

Anyway, we're traipsing further and further away from the topic of thread now.

I can understand how your outward appearance can appear different to your idea of your inner self. Is this a type of dysphoria? There clearly is more for humans to learn about being a human.

That’s why this idea about some kind of match between body and gender stereotype is so bizarre. Women, afflicted as we are, with social expectations of attractiveness, surely must know as much about bodily dysphoria as anyone.

No matter how hard we try, we can never be thin enough or pretty enough or long enough in the leg or ample enough in the bosom. Every teenage girl who has ever cried herself to sleep because she’s chubby or has buck teeth or wears glasses, understands bodily dysphoria.

I’m very short-sighted and clumsy. I can’t dance and was always bad at sports. I’m one of those people who seem to be deeply under the thumb of gravity.

Years ago I watched that Madonna movie about baseball and had this moment of revelation about how it must feel to be at ease in your body. Able to do athletic movements without falling over your own feet. I was, and am, deeply envious of the naturally athletic, but I’m not pretending I’m an Olympian and forcing the world to indulge me.

I found other things I could do, within the limitations of my body. And that’s being human, knowing we have limitations, sometimes exceeding them and surprising ourselves, sometimes shrugging our shoulders and moving on, sometimes forging our own, new direction.

Yup , IMO the push for self ID is because these people would not pass the requirements now, most likely as they do not have gender dysphoria..hence how thats the most important part to lose apparently.

Seems a lot of TRA types on twitter who are rather fond of their dicks..and are proud 'lesbians' all fight very hard for self ID. Hmm

Yes, hugely telling that the main reason why the GRC existed in the first place (aside from the homophobia) - the disgnosed gender dysphoria - is what is in the sights of these people.

'trather suggests, does it not, that GC feminists have been right all along; that this isn't a trans issue at all?

Well, the brain isn't some detached essence, it is a part of our body. An organ made of physical cells. It creates connections in response to physical stimuli absorbed through the body's senses.

So I actually don't believe that there's a 'me' in my brain detached from the rest of my body. My personality is informed by nature (tendencies and susceptibilities encoded into my dna) and nurture (experiences shaping my brain).

I think we use 'in the brain' as a shorthand for mind/spirit/soul. Something much theorized about but not scientifically proven. This is far too subjective to base legal distinctions on imo.