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The Sunday Times again! Common sense is not so common in Westminster

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/10/2018 08:01

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/common-sense-is-not-so-common-in-westminster-rf6cdnlsq

Does anybody have a share token? Looks like further sensible comment on how politicans are ignoring people's concerns over self ID

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/10/2018 08:06

Thank you Smile

Thanks to The Times too. They're on a roll.

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FlowersAndHerts · 14/10/2018 08:09

I wonder whether the hounding of Janice Turner has opened all their eyes!

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HandsOffMyRights · 14/10/2018 08:12

Sarah Vine tweeted a link praising this article. Although her eyes were already opened, I think you're right - journalists are seeing the cult for what it is and the grip it has on Govt.

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FermatsTheorem · 14/10/2018 08:30

I disagree profoundly with Lawson on the issue of climate change (he is to climate change and real science as Mermaids is to suicide statistics:he promulgates falsehoods to further his political position). And I think it's pretty low to use the death of a child as the rhetorical intro to yet another of his climate sceptic rants.

Having said that, to coin a phrase, i defend his right to say it. People should be allowed to spout shit even if it is in fact shit and even if that shit has demonstrably damaging consequences (CF anti-vaxxers).

And there's a sense in which he's right. The level of cut backs required to combat global warming are so great that they can only be brought in with the consent of the people, not against their will (what he's wrong about is that they're needed).

merrymouse · 14/10/2018 08:32

It’s about 30% common sense. The bit about climate change seems to lack common sense.

arranfan · 14/10/2018 08:43

FermatsTheorem and I share opinions on this (I deplore the cloak of the young woman's death to let him loose on climate change).

Lawson - right on an irregular basis. Skilled writer with, I hope, far more of an insight into the political scene by virtue of his lifelong exposure to it, than I have.

I can't believe I'm hoping for the Conservative Party to deliver women from this nonsense. by having quiet talks with each other in which they make it clear to Mordaunt that they would revolt.

deepwatersolo · 14/10/2018 09:43

Fermat, going off topic here, but I have come to the conclusion that a self-identified intelligent species that measures climate change in monetary costs and cannot grasp that we can‘t print food, when agriculture breaks down globally, courtesy climate change, does probably not deserve to survive.
From projections it looks like our options are incisive reductions in standard of living and (maybe) surviving or continuing as we do now until we all go down for sure. And I feel, the vast majority of the people prefer the latter option. So...

FermatsTheorem · 14/10/2018 09:51

I have to say, deepwater, the few things I have seen which have actually given me a bit of hope are, oddly enough, articles in the right wing press where people see a business opportunity to monetise tackling climate change - the point at which electricity produced by Dogger B fell below the spot price for electricity produced by gas-fired stations, for instance.

The other thing that might do it is when the west realises the massive threat to global security posed by climate change.

The question is whether those things happen fast enough.

But no, people aren't going to act out of altruism. That's the tragedy of the commons all over again.

Iused2BanOptimist · 14/10/2018 09:56

The Express has joined in now.

www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1030959/transgender-madness-danger-women-comment-tim-newark

merrymouse · 14/10/2018 09:57

Agree deep. He doesn’t seem to have noticed that the effects of climate change are predicted to be rather damaging to the economy.

I also think his example of Taleb as someone with common sense falls apart after Taleb’s rather unhinged tirades against Mary Beard on twitter.

arranfan · 14/10/2018 09:59

I also think his example of Taleb as someone with common sense falls apart after Taleb’s rather unhinged tirades against Mary Beard on twitter.

So many reasons why Lawson is All the Wrongs In Some Ways Yet Stopped Clock In Others

Iused2BanOptimist · 14/10/2018 10:12

Probably the wrong thread to plop the Express in. Brain not functioning yet. Confused

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