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Brian Paddick's new pinned tweet

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kesstrel · 14/10/2018 07:12

The way in which my statements have been grotesquely distorted to meet other people’s agendas is breathtaking. I’m beginning to understand the level of harassment & hatred levelled at trans people. I will be speaking & voting on changes to the GRA & this evidence will be useful. Shock

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pennydrew · 14/10/2018 07:13

🙄 what a dick he is. ‘ I’ve been robustly and intelligently challenged by women and they shouldn’t be allowed to make me feel bad’

finnmcool · 14/10/2018 07:14

That sounds like a threat!

LurkyMcLurkface · 14/10/2018 07:18

Oh, I have just been reading the thread on Twitter, he really was made to look quite silly. Totally agree with pennydrew. Intelligent, assertive, outspoken women are clearly the scourge of society Wink

BumbrainusMaximus · 14/10/2018 07:21

Contemptible.
If he’s so wet how the fuck did he manage to be a police officer? Suspect by not doing much actual policing, much more PR posturing and prancing

LikeDust · 14/10/2018 07:23

Go Team Penis!

Total male domination of every space we enter is a small price to pay for making sure males feels accepted wherever they go and never have to hear that triggering word 'no'.

When women say 'no', then 'I mean no', then 'are you not listening? I mean no' followed by 'seriously no means no and you ignoring my boundaries shows you have no respect for women' whilst getting increasingly irritated, it is like the worst kind of harassment a male can suffer.

lucasthecat · 14/10/2018 07:28

He got 4% of the vote as the Lib Dem candidate - down from a previous 10% in the last Mayoral election in 2012 - finishing 4th. Behind the Green Party. The general population and democracy don’t like his poloitics - As an unelected life peer - he is returning the favour By ignoring the views of the UK population -

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 14/10/2018 07:41

The statement has a bit of a 'look at what you made me do' vibe going on.

It's as if women aren't respectful enough to deserve rights.

Needmoresleep · 14/10/2018 07:46

He did not come across particularly well in the jungle in his attempt at "I'm a celebrity..." either.

Link to earlier thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3391455-Brian-Paddock-on-Twitter

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/10/2018 08:24

what did the mean ladies do to Brian?

gilchrist168 · 14/10/2018 08:53

Cressida Dick always had the measure of him.

The only ability I've seen in Brian Paddick, over many years, is one of self promotion.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 14/10/2018 09:04

Fuck off, Brian.

Elephantinacravat · 14/10/2018 09:09

This is his latest pinned tweet.

Basically he is saying he is losing the argument when faced with intelligent women but he doesn't want to step away from TWAW so he is not going to engage further.

And anyone who is commenting now gets 'see pinned tweet'.

It's quite similar to what happens on here actually when people come to the realisation that their argument just doesn't stand up.

Brian Paddick's new pinned tweet
RedToothBrush · 14/10/2018 09:10

Brian Paddick @brianpaddick
I support women’s rights, I understand your concerns & I’m always prepared to listen. However, I seem to be unable to convey what I really think using twitter. Whether deliberately or not, my views are being misinterpreted & misunderstood so I will not be responding further. ENDS

No they are not being misinterpreted and misunderstood.

You are displaying your male bias and political blindspot and you aren't liking it that you can't articulate something in a way which connects with women. You are used to saying something (telling people how to think) and it being taken as something to follow because you have authority.

It doesn't work on this issue because the way this has played out, now means anything that resembles someone telling women how to think or imposing an opinion, sparks a hostile reception as trust in authority has been lost.

You are using your position in the LDs against women now, because your declaration of an opinion acts to embolden those trying to shut down debate. I told you explicitly privately why there is a problem with the phrase TWAW not because of it as a belief but because of its effect on debate. It's a thought ending cliche designed to shut down debate in yourself and in others. It's use for any purposes therefore is problematic and extremely anti-liberal in principle.

After setting yourself up as the great arbitor you now have gone. 'Oh well I've made up my mind now, you can all shut up' rather than continuing to encourage open debate and dialogue which is what was needed. You are now effectively saying, no its not OK to discuss this matter and you should all shut up now I've explored the issue.

That's monumentally arrogant.

If I give you the benefit of the doubt, I'd have to say you might not realise that's what you've done, but that's the effect and power of TWAW as a phrase. It's why it's harmful to democratic process - especially when used by people in positions of authority. Its a weaponised phrase loaded with political power not just a declaration of your own position.

And that's monumentally naive.

And I personally warned you about it.

If you want to bring others along with you, then everyone else should be allowed, no not allowed encouraged to go on their own journey to get to an end point in what they think. You are trying to close the gate on that, merely by saying trans women are women and throwing a strop about how others are less than impressed about how you've handled it. And yes the strop itself is part of the problem.

You could go, I understand this is a sensitive issue and people now need to time and space to come to their own conclusions and avoided TWAW completely.

You didn't.

If you don't get why the term TWAW is just such a problem, ultimately you haven't ever engaged with women in the first place. It doesn't just represent how you view trans people, it also represents your attitude and view of dialogue and debate and how important that is to women. Which is what we were trying to say all along.

Charliethefeminist · 14/10/2018 09:12

That's grooming on top of white male entitlement, resulting in a very vindictive threat.

'I tried to be nice but you kept proving me wrong. Now you will be punished'.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 14/10/2018 09:13

Typical abuser: look what you made me do.

kesstrel · 14/10/2018 09:14

RedToothBrush

Really impressive post. Well said.

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Charliethefeminist · 14/10/2018 09:14

Really interesting Red. Spot on.

LangCleg · 14/10/2018 09:18

Typical abuser: look what you made me do.

This. Brian: you said that your interest in male access to women's refuges was because you, as a gay man, experienced domestic violence and there weren't services to help you. Instead of respectfully asking women for their wisdom and experience in setting up such services, you go straight ahead and use argument and rhetoric of an abuser yourself.

Shame on you.

gilchrist168 · 14/10/2018 09:18

Excellent post Red

LurkyMcLurkface · 14/10/2018 09:21

Wow, great post redtoothbrush.

Elephantinacravat · 14/10/2018 09:22

Yes, the nice little threat in that other pinned tweet just reeks of 'look what you made me do'.

Fucking. Grim.

R0wantrees · 14/10/2018 09:24

RedToothBrush

Thank you (yet again) for important insicive anaysis.

Threewheeler1 · 14/10/2018 09:26

Confirmation that he wasn't listening anyway and he'd made up his mind before women had even spoken.
He really is pointless.

kesstrel · 14/10/2018 09:34

I was thinking more about this earlier, after I started the thread. What he said about a lesbian fearing women's bodies in a women's shelter, as if the sex of the abuser was the only issue: he appears to be totally oblivious to the reality of how nearly all women, lesbian or not, experience fear and exposure to predatory males as they grow up, and how that awareness affects them psychologically.

You'd think a gay man would be more willing to be educated about/understand this, because the self-defensiveness of NAMALT shouldn't apply to him. But maybe gay men on average still have that response, just because they are men.

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HawkeyeInConfusion · 14/10/2018 09:40

1st rule of misogyny: women are responsible for what men do.

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