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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh dear, I think Waitrose may be "transphobic"

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GivenuponHumanity · 12/10/2018 23:25

Can you imagine how this will go down:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dna-points-waitrose-shoppers-to-healthy-food-xqbktzjd0?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1539368832

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gamblingaddict · 12/10/2018 23:27

Ridiculous conclusion you’ve reached there.

Maybe time for you to have a little sleep 😴

GivenuponHumanity · 12/10/2018 23:36

Explain - do you not think that if a DNA sample is taken from a TW that clearly shows what sex they are might cause a few raised eyebrows?

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naivetyisthenewblack · 12/10/2018 23:53

Well indeed! If any of the recommendations are sex based then - shock horror - Waitroise will be actually using science / biology in place of lady-feelz.

How DARE they?!

TERFs, obviously!

Needmoresleep · 13/10/2018 00:06

Worse still if they are basing it all on actual real science, rather than individual belief.

Melamin · 13/10/2018 00:09

I think giving your DNA to companies collecting data has more serious implications than somebody finding out what sex you are.

MrMeSeeks · 13/10/2018 00:10

What??

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:25

Context.

Think this is ridiculous?

I challenge you to not think these real life examples are not also ridiculous. Where does this stop?

Women who identify as men are not being routinely offered potentially life saving NHS screening for breast and cervical cancer, amid fears it might offend them

and

men living as women are being invited for cervical smear tests even though they do not have a cervix, an official guidebook states

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/14/women-identify-men-not-offered-routine-nhs-breast-cancer-screening/

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:38

Blood tests:

People giving blood can now self identify as a the gender they like, instead of stating their actual sex.

This poster on reddit gets it spot on:

I went to donate blood the other day and I read the "LGBT" section in the screening pamphlet. It informed me that "trans people will be considered by their self-identified gender." Meaning that a homosexual MtF who has high-risk anal sex with men all the time will be risked into the "straight woman" group and allowed to donate blood.

Now, one of the basic tenets of public health is that you're supposed to take identity/subjectivity out of the equation when doing this type of screening. This is because in the 80s during the AIDS epidemic they used to screen men by asking "are you gay/homosexual?" and the men would say "NO! I am totally straight." But when asked "Do you have sex with other men?" they would say "Oh, occasionally, maybe 1-2x a month." So lesson learned: focus on the behavior, not the self-perception.

Or maybe lesson NOT learned, because now we've slid back enormously. I used to be pretty unsympathetic to gay men who were outraged that they couldn't donate blood. I was like "you're not being discriminated against, you're just in a risk group along with other people, it's not a human right to donate blood" etc. NOW however, I am totally incensed! Transwomen have a higher HIV prevalence than gay men. This is just plain ol' discrimination against gay men at this point. Now it comes off as if the FDA were saying "you're considered high risk not because you're a male who has risky sex with other males, but because you insist that you're gay!" So it's the gay identity that has cooties according to the FDA. Not, you know, a risky type of sex that involves tearing delicate membranes with partners from a group that switch in between giving/receiving (thus spreading disease way more effectively).

That post gives sources as:

The FDA revised guidance states, “In the context of the donor history questionnaire, FDA recommends that male or female gender be taken to be self-identified and self-reported." There is no deferral associated with being transgender, and eligibility will be based upon the criteria associated with the gender the donor has reported

and

Findings from a systematic review (Herbst et al.) of 29 published studies showed that 28% of transgender women had HIV infection (4 studies), while 12% of transgender women self-reported having HIV (18 studies). This discrepancy suggests many transgender women living with HIV don’t know their HIV status.

Reddit thread on this here: www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/604hzr/donating_blood_gay_men_are_now_considered/

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:41

More on giving blood.

If transmen tick they're men on the blood sample form, this could put men's lives at risk because:

Blood transfusions from women who have been pregnant could kill men

Think people won't be stupid or selfish enough to put other people at risk like this? Or the NHS would see the issues with this?

You'd be wrong.

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:44

There are transwomen who get incensed if you tell them they can't have periods as they no uterus.

This is just fucking delusional. They get VERY cross if you say that though!

Article: Yes, Trans Women Can Get Period Symptoms

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:46

Anything that uses sex over gender-feelz is fair game to be torn down by trans activists.

So why not Waitroise doing this?

I can see transwomen getting VERY cross if the Waitroise algorithm keeps offering them male razors and men sized tissues instead of pink shit and tampax.

(Don't ask about what some Transwomen do with tampax, you don't want to know)

BettyFloop · 13/10/2018 00:46

do you not think that if a DNA sample is taken from a TW that clearly shows what sex they are might cause a few raised eyebrows?

What if it does? They're male and they already know it in any case.

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:48

Sorry, I should qualify. I don't mean all transwomnen - not all of them have swallowed this bullshit.

I mean transactivists transwomen, part of the transcult.

naivetyisthenewblack · 13/10/2018 00:50

What if it does? They're male and they already know it in any case.

Did you read my examples? Transwomen getting upset if you say they can't have periods?

Transwomen and men demanding they give blood by gender not sex (and therefore risk profile) putting others lives at risk, potentially.

Why wouldn't the transactivists get upset by this?

BettyFloop · 13/10/2018 01:00

Oh I know naivety - I totally get where you're coming from. And my point is that the trans identified will know what sex they actually are. The genuine transexuals are more likely to stop and think...the fetishists and activists aren't likely to - they know they're male.

They'd do it deliberately.

SerenadeOfTheSchoolRun · 13/10/2018 18:31

There is nothing wrong with that article about the effects of hrt, I don’t see why what is written there couldn’t be true.

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