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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Deborah Orr comments on 'womxn'

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Rumbledore · 11/10/2018 10:56

Deborah Orr
Mental health should come first
Anxiety leaves people unable to look after themselves – or anyone else

i Newspaper11 Oct 2018Deborah Orr

I was struck, as World Mental Health Day unfolded on Twitter, by another story that caught the attention of my corner of the internet, and me. The Wellcome Collection had decided to run a four-day workshop called Daylighting, which would aim to instruct women in techniques whereby patriarchal historical archives could be reinterpreted.
At some point, it had been decided that it would be more inclusive to refer to the group this course was aimed as “womxn”. The word “womyn” was first used by feminist groups in the 1970s to avoid using the word “men” – “womxn” is a new form of it that has been introduced to be more inclusive. I hadn’t heard of the course before this, let alone considered attending it.Asawomanthough,nota womxn, I didn’t feel, as they say, welcome. Other women complained on social media and the Wellcome Trust withdrew its use.
The point, of course, was not to welcome me. The point was to welcome trans womxn and others who have not felt historically included by the terms “women” or “womyn”. For many trans people, the wish to feel welcome and valued in single-sex spaces is overwhelming. I get it. But many women, including me, feel that in the taking of the word “woman” and the branding of it with an “X”, others are taking our identities away from us. In the wider world of economic and existential problems, these matters should be relatively trivial. Instead, however, they have become a dominant part of political discourse, with both sides showing anger and feeling fear.
For some, the fight to be oneself is harder than it is for others, and more traumatic. But, real as the hierarchy of trauma may be, personal identity has surely got to be about acknowledging difference, not trying to erase it or trying to force other groups, who may feel vulnerable themselves, to give up their own hard-won spaces. And, more important than anything else, remembering that all of us are only human, that we all know fear and we all can get angry.
Trumpism illustrates all too well that relatively secure groups can feel hounded and targeted, and do awful things with every belief in their rectitude. The left needs to guard against this kind of grotesque self-indulgence, not mirror it. It may seem absurd to trans women that some women feel dragooned into becoming “womxn”. But it is a real fear, causing real anger and real mental distress. This needs to be acknowledged, not condemned. Distress can so quickly become disorder, in the heads of humans and in our societies.
People come up with all sorts of unhealthy coping strategies that then cause further trouble

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PineappleSunrise · 11/10/2018 12:50

That's a thoughtful comment from Orr.

theOtherPamAyres · 11/10/2018 13:07

Deborah Orr points to the key reason why the trans lobby are losing credibility: the failure to see what the problem is.

They can't get their heads around it all.

Months ago, the whistleblower who outed Jess Bradley (nfluential lobbyist keen to see the end of single sex spaces reserved for females while running a kink-blog and indecently exposing himself regularly) tried to make the exact same point.

BiologyIsReal · 11/10/2018 16:07

They can't get their heads around it because they cannot get their heads around anything that does not centre them.

It's all me, me, me.

HomeStar · 11/10/2018 16:17

Interesting ambiguity there. It’s worded as if she truly believes the party line that transwomen are the most oppressed ever, and by the “relatively secure group” she means GC feminists. But she avoids outright saying who’s at the top of the “hierarchy of trauma.” I wonder what she really thinks.

Imnobody4 · 11/10/2018 19:38

'The fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed' Bertrand Russell

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 20:00

I disagree with her about identity. I have no choice but to be a woman, both biologically, practically and as perceived by society, regardless of my identity, which if anything is just human.

Height, weight, skeleton, breasts, periods, eggs - none of this had anything to do with me, but in as far as I am a female human rather than a male human, these are the things that make the difference. With money and access to surgery I could make a few cosmetic differences, but I can’t grow new organs or change my height.

Trans women aren’t challenging my identity. The harm is in the pushing of sexist stereotypes and the pretence that biological sex has no consequences.

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