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WatchingFromTheSidelines · 11/10/2018 01:29

Name changed.

Five Australian women have been killed by men in six days and The West Australian (owned by Kerry Stokes) have chosen to publish this bullshit by Gemma Tognini.

I'm not linking to the article because I don't want to give them the clicks, but here it is:

There’s a war being waged against men. I’m making a subtle claim, I realise. Subtle in the same way that Dame Edna’s wardrobe and Cher’s hair are subtle, but then I’ve never been one for shilly-shallying around.

A war on men. Grubby, dishonest and destructive. A war without cause and without honour (as are many) and in this case, driven by a particularly strong thirst for blood. It is vengeance fuelled and focused. This war doesn’t care who it discredits and, in terms of reputation, disembowels. Why? Because, feelings.

Where’s my proof, I hear you say. Well, to start with there’s this one chap called Brett who was verbally and, in all ways other than physically, flayed en route to his now confirmed seat on the US Supreme Court. That’s one fairly solid example.

On that, let’s settle some things.

Just because Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed to the bench after claims of sexual assault against him were unproved, doesn’t mean he won. Nobody won. Especially not his accuser, a woman dragged reluctantly into the hateful public melee.

If any of you have just been triggered by my views on this, can I recommend you spend 10 minutes reading the compassionate, rational and highly detailed speech by Senator Susan Collins. It is a tour de force. A clinical analysis of the facts (remember those) including a scathing message to those who used Christine Blasey Ford, then threw her under a bus, after the plan to derail Kavanaugh’s nomination by destroying his reputation went south faster than a bunch of schoolies after exams.

What the world has watched play out over the past couple of months was a powerful and, granted, extreme example of this war, the primary weapon in which is demonising men about everything and for everything. It can’t be dismissed as falling into the bucket of “only in America” — the rot has taken root here, like larvae squirming their way through rotten fruit.

You can see it in every attempt to dismiss a male perspective. In the attempt to normalise the denial of natural justice over serious allegations such as rape and abuse — where a woman can make any claim she likes about a man and expect to be believed solely because she is a woman.

It’s in every move to sideline a man from career advancement just because he’s a man. It’s in the flawed view that gender parity on boards and in Parliament means the best people are in place.

Stacks of men I speak to feel afraid to have a view. Afraid of looking the wrong way. Saying the wrong thing. Of being accused of doing something they didn’t. You might argue that if they’re innocent, what’s to fear? Lots, when facts don’t matter. If I were a bloke, I’d be nervous too.

Perhaps most shameful is the dishonesty with which attempts are made to justify this terrible anti-man fest.

We’re doing it for our daughters. For the next generation of women. To show them what strength looks like.

Lies and more lies.

All it shows is that among these self-appointed, lady-soldiers of virtue, facts don’t matter. All you need is rage, offence, a screaming mob and a hat shaped like a vagina.

Oh yes. In this war on blokes, all you have to do sling the mud and watch it stick, because … #MeToo. Brothers. Husbands. Partners. Friends. Sons.

Total madness.

Just because there have been decades of inequality, just because some men have got away with the most horrendous kinds of sexual abuse in the workplace doesn’t mean the entire gender should be punished.

How sad that the same women who cry foul about having been deprived a voice are now only interested in silencing men, just as they were silenced.

Poor old irony. Lined up against the wall at dawn and shot through the heart.

This is not my war. It’s not a dynamic I want to be a part of. Not a culture I want to carry. Not a lie I’m interested in perpetuating.

Challenging this ugliness feels like screaming into a cyclone. I know many of you feel the same. Perhaps if more of us begin to scream …

Those of us (and I’m convinced there are more of us than the other mob) who see men as part of the solution aren’t popping into the freezer to whip out a pre-frozen plate of revenge. There is no glory in that. Very definitely no dignity.

Anyone who watched Dr Ford speak to the Senate committee should have been moved with compassion. Exactly what happened to her we’ll probably never know.

What is currently unchallenged, is that every single witness she mentioned as having been present the night she claimed to have been assaulted, including a lifelong friend, denied any memory of the party whatsoever.

Like I said, nobody won. I wonder how many victims of abuse yet to come forward and having watched on, never will. Casualties of war, I guess.

A friend of mine emailed me last week. “Growing up with a mother who started her own business, I saw my dad support her. Support the women they both employed. Champion her. Makes me wonder who is behind this war pitting women against men,” he mused.

Fair point. Who indeed? I suspect it’s the same people walking around with “resist” on their T-shirts, and scrawled on ugly, cardboard signs. Resist? Oh please. People, you’re not Nancy Wake. You’re like pimply faced under-grads from the university Trotsky club. My contempt for you is legion.

I tell you one thing, I’ll resist. Because every person — woman and man — deserves the presumption of innocence. Because I know that waging war on men will never address or redress wrongs of the past. We’re doomed unless we walk together.

It’s time for a ceasefire.

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OunceOfFlounce · 11/10/2018 02:02

Ugh, utterly disgusting. I couldn't finish reading it.

The only possible light at the end of the tunnel is that more women will realise where we stand, get angry and start fighting back.

ContentiousOne · 11/10/2018 02:24

Oh she can fuck right off. And so can the West Australian.

ContentiousOne · 11/10/2018 02:26

And so can Collins. Fuck off some more.

Sorry for not being very eloquent.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/10/2018 02:42

These are the current statistics for homicide/manslaughter in Australia.
www.impactforwomen.org.au/death-toll-of-violence-in-australia-2018.html

Men kill men, men kill women and men kill children.

But violence against men is decreasing, but violence, particularly sexual assault, against women, is increasing.
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/08/rate-of-sexual-violence-against-women-has-risen-dramatically-since-2012-abs-says

One in five young people think it’s normal for boys to pressure girls into sex.
www.ourwatch.org.au/News-media/Latest-news/%E2%80%8BNew-survey-reveals-1-in-5-young-people-believes-i

From a 2014 project on attitudes to violence.

Sizeable proportions believe there are circumstances in which violence can be excused.
• There has been an increase from over 3 in 10 in 2009 to over 4 in 10 in 2013 in Australians agreeing that rape results from men not being able to control their need for sex.
• Nearly 8 in 10 agree that it’s hard to understand why women stay in a violent relationship.
• More than half agree that ‘women could leave a violent relationship if they really wanted to’.
• Compared with physical violence and forced sex, Australians are less inclined to see non-physical forms of control, intimidation and harassment as ‘serious’.
• More than half agree that women often fabricate cases of domestic violence in order to improve their prospects in family law cases and nearly 2 in 5 believe that a lot of times women who say they were raped led the man on and later had regrets.
• Up to 1 in 5 believes that there are circumstances in which women bear some responsibility for violence. There has been no change since 2009.

People tend to see violence as caused primarily by the characteristics of individual men using violence. This is in contrast to the evidence, which shows that violence is learned behaviour and that social factors such as the media, laws and the attitudes of others are strong influences.

www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/~/media/ResourceCentre/PublicationsandResources/PVAW/NCAS/NCAS-StakeholderReport_2014.ashx

There is no war on men. For the most part, Australian men are choosing to be collaborators. They might not be committing offences, but they are campaigning against them either. You only have to read the rape threats on social media, directed at women who have done nothing but have an opinion, to see the deep vein of dangerous misogyny which permeates Australia culture.

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therealcj · 11/10/2018 02:59

Something needs to be done. Its horrifying with yet another women dead. The protest at the opera house about an advertisement tipped me over the edge. 18 friends shared a number attended yet apart from the usual suspects not a mention of the dead women. We need a co-ordinated protest we need people on the streets.

WatchingFromTheSidelines · 11/10/2018 03:09

Agree. I was so infuriated by this I've never typed so fast. I've also messaged the companies that use Gemma's PR agency.

Any other ideas on what we can do? Every day this place seems to get more and more like Gilead. Not only are they killing us, but they are also gaslighting us and telling us WE are the problem.

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/10/2018 03:13

We had protests in the street after Eurydice Dixon was murdered. Tragically for her, her killer was the rarest of women-killers, the stranger in the street.

When the killer is a husband, lover or father, the world goes silent. Australia has only recently completed a multi-million dollars Royal Commission into family violence, and things seem to be getting worse.

This is not a women’s problem to solve. We do all we can to be safe, to the point many women restrict their lives in order to avoid male violence, inside and outside, their homes.

This is for men to take seriously and to fix. It’s for men to start correcting each other; to raise their sins to understand consent; to stop the rape jokes and threats.

There are only two options. Either many, many men, are subject to uncontrollable sexual aggression and rage, or they are capable of managing their anger and teaching others to manage theirs.

If we’re honest and admit the first, then treat men like werewolves. Restrict their movement, monitor their behaviour and keep them out of positions of influence. They may be unable to control their predatory instincts, but so are lions, and we don’t let them roam suburban streets.

If men are not werewolves, then it’s more than time they stepped up to the plate and fixed their own mess. Maybe testosterone adds an edge of violence to male character, in which case, let them join the army or play rugby or explore remote forests. There are many socially acceptable ways of channeling aggression - sadly, hurting women and children is still one of them.

WatchingFromTheSidelines · 11/10/2018 03:14

And to clarify, by 'this place' I mean Australia. Not Mumsnet.

Although...

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