Transwoman commits suicide after Mexican Miss Universe boss says that transwomen are not equal to women

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Detail here:

www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/former-miss-universe-lupita-jones-makes-some-transphobic-claims

Essentially Lupita Jones, Miss Universe 1991, and responsible for Miss Universe in Mexico, said that in her opinion transwomen should not compete in women's beauty contests (I believe Miss Universe is transinclusive, and she clarified that this was her personal opinion). These comments were made on the 2nd of October.

Itzel Aidana, a transwoman, put up a video on Facebook saying that these attitudes drive transwomen to suicide, and five hours later Itzel killed herself. <a class="break-all" href="https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=sipse.com/entretenimiento/tras-responder-mensaje-lupita-jones-transexual-itzel-aidana-avila-monreal-suicida-domicilio-miss-espana-entretenimiento-sipse-312851.html&prev=search" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=sipse.com/entretenimiento/tras-responder-mensaje-lupita-jones-transexual-itzel-aidana-avila-monreal-suicida-domicilio-miss-espana-entretenimiento-sipse-312851.html&prev=search

Now Lupita Jones is being blamed for Itzel's suicide, being subject abuse on Twitter ('Lupita Jones can suck my BIG FAT TRANSGENDER DICK bitch'), etc.

This seems like very irresponsible reporting and abuse of this person's suicide for political ends. Ms Jones did not personally target this individual for abuse, and her comments were not as far as I can see abusive, merely an opinion that she should be entitled to hold.

I think the especial additional context for Mexico is the recent fake transgender candidates who were disqualified from the elections:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-elections-fake-transgender-candidates-disqualified

Not 'not equal' necessarily, but 'not the same as'.

By the way, the (trans-inclusive) Miss Universe rules state

"Contestants may not be married or pregnant. They must not have ever been married, not had a marriage annulled nor given birth to, or parented a child. The titleholders are also required to remain unmarried throughout their reign."

Samaritans media guidance,
"Research has consistently shown links between certain types of media coverage of suicide and increases in suicidal behaviour among vulnerable people"

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide

Samaritans:

2 Remember that there is a risk of imitational behaviour due to ‘over-identification’.

Vulnerable individuals may identify with a person who has died, or with the circumstances in which a person took their own life.

For example, combining references to life circumstances, say a debt problem or job loss, and descriptions of an easy-to-imitate suicide method in the same report, could put at greater risk people who are vulnerable as a result of financial stress.

Never say a method is quick, easy, painless or certain to result in death. Try to avoid portraying anything that is immediate or easy to imitate – especially where the ingredients or tools involved are readily available.

1. Avoid over-simplification

Approximately 90 per cent of people who die by suicide have a diagnosed or undiagnosed mental health problem at the time of death.

Over-simplification of the causes or perceived ‘triggers’ for a suicide can be misleading and is unlikely to reflect accurately the complexity of suicide.

For example, avoid the suggestion that a single incident, such as loss of a job, relationship breakdown or bereavement, was the cause."

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/best-practice-suicide-reporting-tips

I'd rather not discuss individual suicides for the reasons given above.

I think it’s better not to discuss this as per Samaritans guidance. But I do wonder why it seems common for media not to follow this guidance themselves.

Tragic. Condolences to all involved. Agree that we should follow guidelines. If anyone is struggling - please ask for help. Samaritans are on: 116 123

I was thinking more about the exploitation of the events to 'attack terfs', rather than the specifics of the suicide itself. This does seem to have been very heavily reported in the Spanish media.

Guardian today on new appointment:

"The health secretary, Matt Hancock, has conceded that mental health services have been under-resourced and undervalued as he announced the appointment of a minister for suicide prevention.

Jackie Doyle-Price, a health minister, will be given the new brief and tasked with ensuring that every local area has effective plans in place to stop unnecessary deaths, and investigating how technology can help identify those most at risk.

A report by Whitehall’s spending watchdog, released on Wednesday, found that even if current plans to spend an extra £1.4bn on the sector were delivered, there would be “significant unmet need” because of staff shortages, poor data and a lack of spending controls on NHS clinical commissioning groups.

Hancock said the National Audit Office report showed service provision was “still way off where we need to be” but improvements had been made.

“The truth is that, for an awfully long time, mental health has simply not had the same level of support – both in terms of resources, but also in terms of how we as a society talk about it – compared to physical health, and we want to change that,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

As well as having a minister for suicide prevention, the government wanted to ensure that “as we write the long-term plan for the future of the NHS, which we are writing at the moment, we make sure that mental health is a crucial component of that”.

Doyle-Price, whose new title will be minister for mental health, inequalities and suicide prevention, said she would put bereaved families at the heart of her strategy. She is believed to be the world’s first minister for suicide prevention."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/uk-appoints-its-first-minister-for-suicide-prevention

I hate to sound harsh, but suicide threats are irrelevant to whether someone is a man or a woman.

If every flat-Earther threatened to commit suicide that wouldn’t make the Earth less round.

If every Intelligent Design crank lined themselves up in a roof and threatened to jump that wouldn’t be an argument against evolution.

If people gave in to suicide threats they’d never leave an abusive partner. It would be a licence to give every Jim Jones or David Koresh absolute power.

Following on from this story Spain has sent a transgender contestant, who is favourite to win.

metro.co.uk/2018/12/05/first-transgender-woman-in-miss-universe-is-now-favourite-to-win-8211325/

'Miss Spain' says, "I should win to send a big 'fuck you' to Donald Trump". (or words to that effect)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/12/05/transgender-miss-universe-angela-ponce-trump/

"Contestants may not be married or pregnant. They must not have ever been married, not had a marriage annulled nor given birth to, or parented a child. The titleholders are also required to remain unmarried throughout their reign."

I wonder how many married women have committed suicide because they couldn't compete in the Miss Universe beauty contest.

In my opinion, this suicide has nothing to do with what Ms Jones said.
The person had problems already, and may already have planned the suicide prior to reading and commenting to what Ms. Jones said.

If this were about about anything else, this wouldn't even be reported.

There are probably a lot of feminists who commit suicide, but I never have heard of even a single case of a woman saying, prior to her suicide, that being forced to wear high heels in the workplace was a reason women committed suicide.
Perhaps some women who commit suicide do say such things, but if they do, it certainly doesn't make the news, and no one accuses employers who force women to wear high heels of driving women to suicide.

I don't much care who gets to participate in a beauty contests, seeing as I am against them, anyway, but I also have to admit I don't know the situation in Mexico and whether winning a beauty contest is a way out of poverty for young women there.

Fuck beauty pageants.

I can't get myself worked up about who wins a beauty contest, if I'm honest.

I think beauty competitions are terrible however I don't think that if you're going to have them anyone who's had any kind of plastic surgery should be allowed to take part. It should be all about natural beauty surely. I would imagine that would rule out the majority of trans women.

Transwoman says ‘me winning a womens pageant instead of a woman will say f you to a man who disrespects women’? Riiight

Wow, I feel bad for Lupita Jones. Being blamed for a suicide (especially by the perpetrator) has got to be a hugely traumatic and upsetting experience, even when it's as objectively ridiculous as it is in this case.

And on top of that she's become a hate object for a global gang of violent thugs?

This is a very harsh punishment for daring to have an opinion. I hope she's ok.

Beauty pageants are event made by and for males. Let them be the ones objectified, judged and degraded on the podium too.

Take them TW! TAKE THEM ALL!!!! Prove how males do male fantasy better than females! Impress the shallow sadistic fuckers who think they are a good idea!

I'd be glad to have no female take part in one again.

It is the one place I say 'knock yourselves out loves'.

Sorry I take a hard line. Threatening suicide and blaming someone else for your suicide is extremely abusive. I know this person is dead and I’m sorry for their family and friends but this is abusive behaviour akin to family annihilators who do it to get back at an estranged wife.

I don't know about the point of the thread but i read that bit about miss universe rules i think it's creepy that the winner has to remain "available" throughout her reign. I don't watch things like things but that statement summed up my reasoning entirely!

Fuck beauty pageants

My sentiments exactly. If transgenders want to take them over entirely, good luck to them.

Wouldn't it have been better if transgenderism had never glamorized suicide in the first place?