Should we talk of sex appropriation?

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Or is it too washy or offensive to some people?

Yes we should. Because cultural appropriation has been in the media recently it’s another way that might help people understand what’s going on.

Yes we should. It is exactly what is happening. Exactly.

it's accurate

I have had to spend quite a lot of energy finding the words I need to talk about all this

I like 'genderism', because it conveys that this is a belief system that is being foisted on the general public

I like sex appropriation too - thanks OP

For me, Danielle Muscato, who came out as trans 4 years ago, tweeting about women's fears walking around late at night, lecturing men on their male privilege is sex appropriation. I think Philip Bunce, wearing a dress for a few days a week then being hailed as an important woman in business is sex appropriation. I also think that a trans woman on an all women's shortlist or taking up some measure that has been made to redress the imbalance of power between men and women when they have been socialised as male is also appropriation. I can't understand why someone like Dawn Butler can tweet Jamie Oliver about jerk chicken, but doesn't seem to see anything wrong with the first examples.

hang on what the fuck?

cooking jerk chicken is cultural appropriation now?

well damn

The problem with Jamie Oliver is he invented a dish called "jerk" rice, which is apparently ludicrous as "jerk" refers to a method of cooking meat. So that's why Butler and others were annoyed.

I agree about the appropriation thing. Ages ago on here I posted a link to a blog (can't find it now) that compared the transgender issue with Israel. It said that liberal-minded people were split between those who thought of the early settlers as colonists, and those who thought of them as refugees. Similarly, some people think of trans women as colonists of femininity, while others think of them as refugees from masculinity. I thought that was useful because it helped me see why some women fawn over trans women so much - they see them as rejecting masculinity and embracing womanhood. Whereas many of us see them (or some of them) as men basically stomping in and lecturing us about how to do womanhood properly.

At best it is appropriation, at worse it is theft.

yes, we have had gender non-confirming males who like to be seen / treated as female posting here who said they regarded themselves as refugees

I guess people seeing it from that point of view may explain some of the extreme indulgence granted to them

it shows a serious inability to understand anything from women's point of view though

I think the overly sexualised image that many trans women adopt is akin to a white person doing blackface. It's offensive and reductive to suggest womanhood is achieved by wearing high heels, hair extensions and dresses. It's made worse by the labelling of women with 'cis' 'chestfeeders' 'breeders' 'cervix-havers' othering us and placing themselves as the centre in women's issues, erasing genuine needs which women have campaigned for tirelessly.

hackmum I think that the Israel analogy is a good one but falls down a bit when it focuses on masculinity/femininity (gender) rather than male/female (sex).

Femininity doesn't 'belong' to women. Anyone can be feminine. It's fine to be a feminine man. A bit tougher than being a masculine man, which is where the female fawning comes in, I think.

I don't feel that feminine men are appropriating womanhood.

What I do find appropriative is when men, feminine or otherwise, claim to be actually female. Particularly when they present femininity as 'proof' of having a literally female body. Tons of people with actual female bodies are not very feminine! And yet this doesn't save them from sexism and sex-based violence.

'Sexist' and 'sexism' are old fashioned words that need to make a comeback IMO.