Thames Valley Police

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TVP posted this 9 hours ago on their FB timeline.

It's official- they think that misogyny is not a hate crime.

FFS

It's official- they think that misogyny is not a hate crime.

But it isn't, is it?

www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime 'The term 'hate crime' can be used to describe a range of criminal behaviour where the perpetrator is motivated by hostility or demonstrates hostility towards the victim's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.'

Wasn't somewhere piloting the targeting of crimes against women as hate crimes?

Personally I'm on the fence about hate crimes. They have been used by mendacious AWAs to bully those who argue with them because referencing protected characteristics in those arguments becomes a public order offence. It seems to me to be giving protection from things which would not otherwise be crimes, just 'a bit rude'.

Nottingham if I remember correctly. Don’t know whats going on there in today’s cuckoo world.

I think “hate crime” is a dangerous territory because it can be used against free speech and by governments wanted to silence people. On the other hand how can there be all these categories for prejudice without including sex? It is just taken for granted that females from young girls upwards have to defend ourselves against constant comments and harassment to actual attacks without it being acknowledged!

hostility towards the victim's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity

It describes these as 'protected characteristics'. According to what/whom? Is this another example of fudging the wording of the Equality Act, in addition to discarding the protected characteristic of 'sex' from it?

I thought the protected characteristic was ‘gender reassignment?’ But no, alas, crimes motivated by misogyny are not classed as hate incidents. Bashing terfs is not a hate crime, and neither is threatening rape because someone doesn’t like what a woman says. They’re all fine apparently.

Is age not a protected characteristic? (Young and old people need protecting too)

It describes these as 'protected characteristics'. According to what/whom? Is this another example of fudging the wording of the Equality Act, in addition to discarding the protected characteristic of 'sex' from it?

No it's not. The equality act has fuck all to do with criminal law in regard to hate crime. The hate crime qualifiers are easily found on Google and being a "Terf" is clearly not one of them regardless of how much this board would like it to be.

I think “hate crime” is a dangerous territory because it can be used against free speech and by governments wanted to silence people.
Agreed

On the other hand how can there be all these categories for prejudice without including sex?

I think most FWR regulars should be grateful for that. If sex was to become a hate crime qualifier, it would be for both male and female as it is for race (i.e. it's not just who SJW types believe are "victims." White people can be victims of hate crime for their race the same as black or Asian. Straight people can be victims the same as homosexual.)

Imagine the fun MRA types could have reporting the "hate incidents" on here

Granted Notts police decided to record misogyny as a hate crime but legally they could do fuck all about it. As soon as it something like that is made legally enforceable there would have to be parity

From the cps.gov link in pp: There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness antagonism, resentment and dislike

Mind truly boggled.

There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness antagonism, resentment and dislike

And the best bit? The government helpfully decided that "hate incidents"should also be recorded by police. Now a hate incident can be anything at all, i.e. not even a crime and must be recorded. It doesn't even need to be the people involved. 3rd parties can record it.

Is this board really sure they'd like to see sex as a hate crime qualifier, given they can just as easily be recorded as having committed one by absolutely anyone?

The whole thing needs a drastic rethink.

I think (but I am not a lawyer) that a hate crime just makes a crime worse - it isn’t a crime in itself. So graffiti rude words on a wall - it’s a minor offence. Graffiti anti-Semitic words on the wall of a synagogue - more serious.

Given that just about all violence and abuse suffered by women is because they are women, I imagine categorising misogyny as a hate crime would overstretch the police so much they might fall apart.

The CPS stance.

This has come up loads of times.

The hate crime legisaltion is the same list as protected characteristics apart from a couple

Sex and
Age

If I remember correctly.

"The Equality Act covers the same groups that were protected by existing equality legislation – age, disability, gender reassignment, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation, marriage and civil partnership and pregnancy and maternity. "

cps ( as above pp pasted)

The term 'hate crime' can be used to describe a range of criminal behaviour where the perpetrator is motivated by hostility or demonstrates hostility towards the victim's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

I think this wording has been tweaked though from when I last looked

I can't find the legislation relating to hate crimes in legislation.gov.uk

Is it not a law or something? I'm not an expert > just usually when you google a crime you get a link to the related page on that site

from a thread in 2011 quote from a gov thing

"The Ministry of Justice plans to amend the Criminal Justice Act 2003 so that murders motivated by hatred or hostility towards disabled or transgender victims will have the same starting point as for murders aggravated by race, religion and sexual orientation. This will double the current starting point for disability and transgender hate crime murders.

The Act will also be updated so that where any offence is shown to be motivated by hostility towards the victim on the grounds of transgender, as well as race, religion, sexual orientation, and disability, sentences must be made more severe. This will mean all five monitored strands of hate crime will be reflected equally in these provisions. "