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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Important - The Equality Act guidance has just changed

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 08/10/2018 17:06

I've just this minute been told by the EHRC that the Equality Act guidance has been changed, and the new version was published on Friday as promised to Fair Play for Woman.

It no longer states:

Where someone has a gender recognition certificate they should be treated in their acquired gender for all purposes and therefore should not be excluded from single sex services.

It now states:

Transsexual people should not be routinely asked to produce their Gender Recognition Certificate (if they have one) as evidence of their legal sex. If a business requires proof of a person’s legal sex, then their birth certificate should be sufficient confirmation.

There will of course, now be a new Twitter war on what this actually means.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/what-equality-law-means-for-your-business-2018.pdf

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 10/10/2018 11:46

scepticalwoman

The EHRC really aren't fit for purpose are they? Wonder whether they will ever be held to account

The "Equality Act Implementation" consultation which closed last week definitely had the feel of "What do you think of the EHRC's work?"

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 10/10/2018 16:26

I am totally confused as to whether this is good or bad news. FPFW say good, Posie says bad. Same on here. I appreciate we're all trying to fathom out exactly how to interpret these changes but are there any lawyers on here who can cut to the chase?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/10/2018 16:30

I'm almost glad it isn't only me, WhichBitch

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 10/10/2018 20:41

Anyone able to clarify what this actually means?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/10/2018 08:20

My main concern is not so much the meaning of the change, but how the fact that a change has been made might be used strategically in order to suggest that most of the concerns of earlier submissions by women have been addressed by the change and can therefore be dismissed. I dunno, but I just wonder if it might have been better to have let the inaccuracy stand to the end in order to then point out how ridiculous the whole consultation was. The whole thing is just shoddy.

2rebecca · 11/10/2018 09:05

Death certificates, well Scottish ones, not filled in any English ones recently just have "sex" on them and you put a cross in either the male or female box.

2rebecca · 11/10/2018 09:08

Agree I don't think the new guidance is good news. Changing sex is impossible. The government and official bodies are lying.

arranfan · 11/10/2018 09:10

The new guidance seems like the old guidance - flawed, but in a different way.

Whoever signed off on this nonsense should be in for a poor performance review.

Invisible1234 · 11/10/2018 09:23

To me it looks like they are getting ready for self-ID and swapping sex for gender.

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