Where are the dysphoric women?

[JackyHolyoake]

There are all these males who claim to have gender [sex?] dysphoria and, after marrying and fathering several children, in middle age say they cannot live with the dysphoria anymore and they just have to cross dress either part- or full-time.

Why doesn't the same thing happen to women? Why are there not loads of women with dysphoria who feel a need to do the same thing?

It seems to happen to females around puberty, instead.

The 'mid life crisis' style of trans is autogynephilia, which is different to gender dysphoria (although activists will insist they're under the same umbrella). I don't know what the opposite of AGP is for women, I have a feeling it doesn't exist or is very rare.

I've seen it in women, I have seen feminine looking straight women become masculine looking homosexual women. One example, her husband was unfaithful and she left him, started a lesbian relationship and then transformed herself. Now she looks like a 14 year old boy and has the attitude and swagger to match.
Maybe we see it as self-discovery in a woman. The woman I'm referring to is bloody obnoxious so I hope she never decides to take testosterone, as that would make her personality even worse. Her attempt at "man" is probably as insulting to men as an AGP fetishist's version of "woman" is to us.
I think it's rare because wearing male clothing isn't such a big deal for women as wearing female clothing is for men, so women who feel uncomfortable in feminine clothes can find something to wear easily that is socially acceptable. And yes, a big part of it is clothing! I'm a butch lesbian and being able to wear male clothing makes me feel more comfortable in myself - I could be an oil rig worker but if they made me wear a strappy vest top I'd be incredibly uncomfortable.
I think we prefer to see it is something deeper than clothing choices but sometimes that's all it is.

I don't think that cross-dressing as a sexual kink is prevalent in women in the same way it does among men. Certainly there are specific "T girl" nights at swinging clubs for cross-dressing men and their (male) admirers and there is no equivalent for "T boys" that I have come across.

Chiara there are, there's just far fewer of them and it's less sexualised. But they do exist.

I think some of the fan club for "t girls" are men who want access to sex with strangers/risky sex/public sex and generally speaking there aren't enough women into this to facilitate the activity.
Dogging, for example. Massive male to female ratio. So I wonder if the attraction is just a practical rationalisation - a hand job in a car park from someone in make-up and a wig isn't "gay", maybe?

Turph I'm sure there are some men who think it's "not gay" to have sex with a TW. But this is a world in which sex health clinics have to talk about "men who have sex with men" as there are so many self-deluding blokes who don't think they are gay or bi despite shagging other blokes.

I've never come across a woman who got turned on by dressing in men's clothes so I didn't know that was a thing at all.

Good read here OP if you are interested:

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

As above, I wonder if it is because women already dress in "masculine" clothes such as jeans and a t-shirt?

I think they quietly get on with it. No "Look at meeeee".

My nephew and their group of friends started off as dysphoric same sex attracted teenage girls. Now at various stages of transitioning. Onset occurs earlier in girls, perhaps? As it is such a clique, I wonder how much of it is social contagion. Secretly hope nephew will pull back before irreversible damage is done, and just live happily as a lesbian. They're definitely performing masculinity with balls bells on, much more dudebro blokey than their brother or dad.

I was rather referring to women who are the equivalent of those middle-aged males ... married with kids, claiming to be dysphoric etc etc.

Women are so objectified. People don't tend to think of men as sex objects so maybe there isn't the same kink/fetish (if that's what ago is?) appeal in dressing as a man?

May be that women wearing trousers, suits etc is more socially acceptable so it doesn't have the same appeal or excitement as the other way around.

*agp, not ago.

Also because dressing up as a man wouldn’t make us stunning or brave. We still wouldn’t be allowed into the Garrick or the Freemasons. Men police manhood very tightly. Whereas womanhood is fair game for anyone who wants it. Not because women get to control it but because men tell us we are bigots for not accepting them as the same as us.

I know lots of women who tried the straight thing, then came out as lesbian later in life. I’m one of them in fact. I don’t think it’s anywhere near the same thing though, because it just tends to be a a private thing. I was always Andro though so my style of dress hasn’t really changed. I think sexuality can change, especially in women, or can remain unacknowledged for years, like it did with me, so I think the comparison with middle aged men transitioning isn’t a good or accurate one. I think with men it’s purely sexual, as they have no idea or interest in what it actually is to be a woman. When I came out I was still being a woman, just doing different things while being a woman.

Surely the absence of thousands of older women, desperate to 'change sex', is proof that eventually the vast majority of females will grow out of dysphoria?