Would self ID allow multiple changes?

[TransposersArePosers]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what happens if someone changes their legally recognised sex, then changes their mind having not had any surgery / hormones etc. Could people change sexual identity repeatedly? Or is it one chance only? - in which case anyone considering it had better be sure. (This is having read some of the Meanwhile in Ireland thread)

And also, weirdly I was thinking about Sue Pascoe and descendants of the man that was the person before the legally recognised as female Ms Pascoe. What happens to the original birth certificate? If someone is researching their family tree in years to come, do they just draw a blank at that point in their history?

It would have to. It's clear from the evidence that many detransition and that many move in and out of transition over time, and for some that will be as dysphoria waxes and wanes.

A reason why realistically complete flexibility around gender identity needs to be kept separate from sex, which cannot be changed, and provision of spaces and facilities and recognition of transgendered people needs to be there but not including the right to change sex on legal documents (gender yes, change gender on legal documents all you like) or to be given legal access to women's spaces.

Scottish consultation floated the idea of having up to 3 changes IIRC.

But once you make changing sex a human right, you can hardly limit the number of times it is exercised.

One of the Man Friday group got the DVLA to change her driving licence to an M & then back to an F soon after with no problem.

There's not a chance they'd write in 'you get x changes and then you're stuck with it, like musical chairs'.

People are going to flip-flop in and out of 'gender' like a recently-caught carp.

The legislation is also, of course, completely inapplicable to the issue of a 'gender fluid' individual who may change 'gender' several times a week yet want to access women's facilities and get women's awards. There needs to be clarification that people should be able to do whatever they want re gender without discrimination- I fully support anyone's right to wear a male suit one day and business-appropriate 'women's' wear another without any discrimination or harassment but that this grants no rights whatever to single services and facilities of the opposite sex.

This is in a way a less important side issue but I think that clarity on this, and the distinction between malleable 'gender' and sex is an important element of getting the balance right - in terms of both legal and medical 'sex change'. Make it easier for someone to be whatever gender they wish and there should be less need for irreversible medical and surgical interventions and legal conundrums.

You'd not be able to limit it - if it's a right it's a right.

For most things it seems to have already moved to self id and include "gender fluid" poeple only so Dave can say "I'm a woman" when he is sitting in the women's changing staring with a bag over his lap.

It will help with eg prisoners who may want to be female only for the period of their incarceration.

But this is exactly why self ID is a really bad idea legally! I read the Matthew Parris piece this morning it resonated with me that each of us has a unique experience of our self and as such I can't begin to imagine what it is like to have a disconnect between who I think I am and the body that I have, because I don't have that state of being.

However, if people can change their legal sex status on a whim and then change back ad infinitum, that's a whole new can of worms and not supportive of those with genuine dysmorphia. And the cost of implementing it all will be immense, especially with no fee attached.

"I can't begin to imagine what it is like to have a disconnect between who I think I am and the body that I have"

Loads of women and girls have dysphoia about their body -
Of course cunty people are expected to put up and shut up.

I wonder what is the rate of death for eating disorders as opposed to trans?

Of course the massive explosion in girls adopting trans IDs at the same point as they developed eating disorders when I was young, as a way to stave off / hide from puberty and all that goes with it > and of course things are much worse now with all the porn > I doubt that Penny M's review into this will "discover" this extremely obvious link though.

Breast bidning might take the eyes off you for a bit...

Of course it's appealing.

I would include eating disorders in my statement of not knowing how a disconnect would feel. And wasn't there an article recently querying whether trans was the new anorexia?

But it also strikes me that the sex class doing the most harm to themselves regarding trying to pass as the opposite sex is the females. It is all such a mess and I could weep for the young people of today who have been sold an ideology that (for the females at least) involves irreversible body modification. The males can choose to just say the magic words. All the risk is on the shoulders of the girls.

Tsk, tsk. Stonewall says clearly that nobody knows better than transgender people which gender they are, so this would be an impossible scenario, surely ...