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Kenneth Zucker has won a court case regarding the review report which ended with the closure of his clinic

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SturdyEarmuffs · 05/10/2018 23:41

https://www.camh.ca/en/camh-news-and-stories/camh-apology

He's been awarded substantial damages and this public apology.

https://www.camh.ca/-/media/files/minutes-of-settlement-pdf.pdf?la=en&hash=2A413123A8BF8EA8748A609EBFCB24FDCD10EA37

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Serfisafleur · 05/10/2018 23:45

Can you summarise? First link leads to "technical difficulties" and second link leads to a PDF download which I can't do on my phone.....

UpstartCrow · 05/10/2018 23:48

Zuckerman was accused of conversion therapy for not affirming the gender identity of transgender children, and for advocating watch and wait in many cases.
There were other accusations made against him; they have now been discredited.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hormones-and-the-brain/201602/prejudice-not-science-wins-the-day-in-toronto

Serfisafleur · 05/10/2018 23:56

Thanks Upstart.
Great news.
I hope damages $$ were sufficient because I remembee how this person was horrifically attacked by TRA ideology.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/10/2018 00:01

Canada is long overdue for a course correction, so let's hope this signals the beginning of sanity returning.

heresyandwitchcraft · 06/10/2018 00:16

Great news for Dr Zucker!!!!
IIRC, Jesse Singal got into a lot of trouble for even writing an article on this man.
www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
4thwavenow.com/tag/kenneth-zucker/

theOtherPamAyres · 06/10/2018 00:36

Trans Activists worked hard to discredit, smear and demonise Zucker.

He had been working in the field of Gender Dysphoria and was the foremost researcher and practitioner. His research led him to the 'wait and see' approach, after finding that a small percentage of adolescents required further intervention. He established the links between gender dysphoria and autism, trauma and anxiety.

There was a BBC documentary (Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best) featuring Zucker, that prompted activists to put up a petition on change.org to stop it from airing. They were beside themselves! It didn't work in the UK and the documentary went ahead.

Their TRA campaigns to prevent the documentary, worked in other countries. They claimed that the documentary's was 'transphobic' and that it would cause untold harm to trans viewers and their families.

The UK medical establishment covered itself in glory (not!) by condemning Zucker's 'wait and see' approach, in support of the TRAs.

Zucker was sacked. The clinic was closed.

He has been through hell and back again. Worst still, adolescents and parents throughout the world lost valuable further research and robust tests for good practice when the clinic closed.

I'm so glad to see this turn around.

OldCrone · 06/10/2018 00:54

There was a BBC documentary (Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best) featuring Zucker, that prompted activists to put up a petition on change.org to stop it from airing. They were beside themselves! It didn't work in the UK and the documentary went ahead.

Available here if you haven't seen it.
vimeo.com/247163584

When I saw it early last year I didn't know anything about the transgender issue. I watched out of curiosity about how children could possibly be transgender. I was also baffled as to why people were trying to get it banned, because it seemed quite reasonable and balanced.

Beagadorsrock · 06/10/2018 08:47

Blanchard has tweeted the apology (screen-captured before the CAHM website 'went down')
twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1048344849873870849

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:04

Good.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/10/2018 09:07

Someone in the responses is wondering if the CAHM site went down because of a DDOS attack - I was wondering the same.

SturdyEarmuffs · 06/10/2018 09:09

Which is a bit dim as the apology needs to be up for 30 days. If it is a DDOS attack, then they are just delaying the inevitable, dragging it out longer. And amplifying it at the same time. Idiots.

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HomeStar · 06/10/2018 09:22

Speaking of Jesse Singal, is it OK if I leave this here? I just followed some Zucker related links and found it. It’s an “expose” of things Singal said on a journalist mailing list which winds up inadvertently being an expose of TRA groupthink. It’s amazing because all the quotes from him that are supposed to be damning are ultra-reasonable and kind. I came away from it impressed by his thoughtfulness.

jezebel.com/private-messages-reveal-the-cis-journalist-groupthink-b-1827041764/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I’m glad Zucker has been exonerated. It’s horrendous how he was TRAduced.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/10/2018 09:26

Today in your Freudian slip is showing.

*If a journalist approaches transition, adolescent or otherwise, as a two-sided issue—as Singal generally does—that journalist affirms a reader’s inclination to side against trans people, recasting a reader’s bias against affirmative treatment as a rational position to hold."

Only one side allowed, and it's the TRA one! Danger, independent thought detected!

Journalists are supposed to look at issues from multiple angles. That is part of their job. They are not your propaganda monkeys.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:50

Are those private emails?

deepwatersolo · 06/10/2018 10:02

Now I might start believing that the tide is turning, and globally, as Lisa Muggeridge predicted (at least that was my interpretation).

AngryAttackKittens · 06/10/2018 10:04

From a private listserv, so the same thing that's happened to at least one GC group in the UK, and proof that TRAs have no respect for boundaries.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 10:06

Bloody hell

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 06/10/2018 10:16

There is a good summary of the issues in New York magazine www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html.

HerFemaleness · 06/10/2018 10:52

It’s amazing because all the quotes from him that are supposed to be damning are ultra-reasonable and kind. I came away from it impressed by his thoughtfulness.

That is astonishing. This is what happens when you live in an echo chamber as many TRAs and allies do, you become so closed off from the world that you can't imagine that these (very moderate sensible) comments could be seen as anything other than rampant bigotry.

Datun · 06/10/2018 11:31

Good. I wonder if Shon Faye will have anything to say about it, since they libelled Zucker on national telly.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/tag/shon-faye/

Bolloxio · 06/10/2018 20:24

Good. Transactivists really did try to ruin this guys life, and all because he didn't follow their ridiculous ideology.

SlowlyShrinking · 06/10/2018 20:42

Good. I wonder if Shon Faye will have anything to say about it, since they libelled Zucker on national telly

I was just thinking the same. I think I’d be making a public apology if I was shon.

deepwatersolo · 06/10/2018 20:55

I think I‘d be making a public apology, if I was shon

Yeah, but would you make stupid toilet selfies posing while erasing feminist stickers, and would you insist you are a woman and entitled to all women‘s spaces, if you were Shon?

See, that‘s the difference.

SPOFS · 06/10/2018 20:58

Excellent. I hope he sues everyone who libeled him too. This man is a hero. Smile

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