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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Govt/Police ad in Metro 'Dear transphobes'

50 replies

failingatlife · 05/10/2018 16:13

Anyone else see this? Text probably too small to read in pic:

Dear transphobes,
Do you think it's right to harass people in the street? Right to push transgender people around in clubs? Right to humiliate, intimidate and threaten them online?
Well we don't. That's why if we see you doing harm , we're reporting you. We believe that people should be allowed to be themselves. Except if they're spreading hate.
Yours, Scotland
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While I agree with the sentiment here this has really pissed me off. Women are subject to ALL of the above on a regular basis. Have done forever. Don't see any govt campaign directed at men for harassing women or maybe I just havent noticed itHmm.

Scottish Govt/Police  ad in Metro 'Dear transphobes'
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speakingwoman · 05/10/2018 16:40

I'm spreading jam but now I'm looking at it and thinking "is it jam or hate"?

FloralBunting · 05/10/2018 16:40

What is the purpose of these? Who are they aimed at? Do they think that people are riddled with the various forms of 'hate' referenced are going to read the posters and rethink their plans to attack and abuse people?

All this does is make the police look ridiculous, and confuse the shit out of most normal people who weren't ever going to attack or abuse people who are gay or of a different colour skin. The zenith of virtue signalling.

SturdyEarmuffs · 05/10/2018 16:41

I'm spreading jam but now I'm looking at it and thinking "is it jam or hate"?

Grin
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 05/10/2018 16:43

Protected characteristics under the EA are

  • age
  • disability**
  • gender reassignment**
  • marriage and civil partnership
  • pregnancy and maternity
  • race**
  • religion or belief
  • sex
  • sexual orientation**

The ones with ** get their own advert.

Interesting

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 05/10/2018 16:43

*Is there a Dear Sexual Predator one?
*
this!^^

Budgieinaberet · 05/10/2018 16:44

Jam or hate the new debate. [Grin]

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 05/10/2018 16:45

Oh, I'm sorry, dear Bigots addresses racial hatred

so presumably ageism, sexually predatory behaviour, and discrimination on the basis of marriage and civil partnership or pregnancy and maternity are OK in Scotland and won't get you reported to the WI

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 05/10/2018 16:46

*religious hatred, not racial hatred

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/10/2018 16:48

There isn’t a “dear misogynists” one that’s for damn sure!

failingatlife · 05/10/2018 17:10

Glad to hear there are others but what a waste of moneyHmm . Of course there isn't one relating to sex cos harrassment etc is just normal life for us females Angry.

Not that racists/mysogynists etc will take notice of these ads. As Datun said upthread it basically says 'haterz dont murder people or we will report you'. Just pisses me right off that mysogyny isn't recognised as the massive issue it is. Women are half the population, TG are what 3%ish? AngryConfused

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Deliriumoftheendless · 05/10/2018 17:14

I get physically pushed around on a daily basis as I’m a very tiny woman. Glad to know the police will take me seriously if I report it every time.

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 05/10/2018 17:17

Deliriumoftheendless

If not, could you maybe identify as a transwoman..?

SturdyEarmuffs · 05/10/2018 17:20

Of course there isn't one relating to sex cos harrassment etc is just normal life for us females

It's very interesting that the Scottish Government has managed to miss out covering sexual harassment for both women and girls. Here'ss* a link to the Scottish Women website article on the fact that "the Scottish Government’s Anti-Bullying ‘Respect For All’ approach does not include any reference to the sexual harassment affecting girls"

I mean, it's almost as though there's a wilful blind spot when it comes to the daily harassment that women & girls experience. I'm sure the Scottish Government are hastily addressing this shameful oversight.

Whodathunkit eh?🤔

nauticant · 05/10/2018 17:25

yes, why transphobia specifically?

It's a rallying flag for progressives. It is a fantastically easy-to-apply filter for "us" and "them". It also enables them to find traitors on their own side who need to be suppressed/expelled. Attacking heretics in your own ranks is far more intoxicating than attacking those opposing you.

Added to that, it seems the most intoxicating thing of all is "burn the witch".

WokerThanWoke · 05/10/2018 17:50

What the fuck is going on in Scotland these days?

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 05/10/2018 18:02

Dear misogynists,
Do you think it's right to harass woman in the street? Right to push women around in clubs (in the street, on public transport, at home)?
Right to murder two of them a week?
Right to humiliate, intimidate and threaten women online?
Right to sexually assault or rape them?
Threaten their children?
Well we don't. That's why if we see you doing harm , we're reporting you. We believe that people should be allowed to be themselves. Except if they're spreading hate.
Yours, Chrys

ThistleAmore · 05/10/2018 18:08

In Scotland, while sex is a protected characteristic in terms of employment law etc, sexist or misogynistic crime isn't classified as a hate crime, unlike homophobia/transphobia/racism/disablism/sectarian abuse etc.(source: am Scottish. Saw stuff detailing how to report hate crime on a train, wondered why sexism/misogyny wasn't there, looked it up, found the previously detailed. Was pretty f*cking annoyed).

At the risk of sounding hyperbolic, sometimes it feels like abusing women is the last acceptable form of hate.

Bolloxio · 05/10/2018 18:12

There isn’t a “dear misogynists” one that’s for damn sure!

I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.

Datun · 05/10/2018 18:32

I agree with the unintended reaction too. Makes me want to get all fucking rebellious and stab them all.

And I'm fairly mild.

KataraJean · 05/10/2018 20:20

Thistle it is not hyperbolic, it is true!

I mean, you don’t even need to go to the abuse which Chrys lists, just the fact that women do most of the domestic care, earn less and are more likely to live in poverty - why is that okay?!?

The more women do in the home, the less likely they are to have equality and status outside of it. And on top of that, women’s contribution in having and raising children is undervalued or not valued at all, and can be erased from language (pregnant people).

LassWiADelicateAir · 05/10/2018 20:34

One of the "Dear Homophobes" posters has appeared near where I live. I find it insulting.

This is going to sound snobbish but given the demographic of where I live I think the chances of any one behaving in the manner referred to are slim to non- existent.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 06/10/2018 00:42

Meanwhile in Scotland, this also happened:

mobile.twitter.com/tempie321/status/1048203665796993024

Let it never be said the student press are slow, but the stickers were up for 2 months before they realised... However, to paraphrase the good doctor, they learnt a valuable lesson about IPSO guidelines...

lydiamajora · 06/10/2018 03:16

Gosh, isn't it strange how these types of statements/flyers/posters always forget to address sexism? It's so infuriating weird how hatred and violence against women never seem to be a concern.

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 06/10/2018 06:36

lydia I honestly think people just think we should put up with it. God knows whenever I used to get groped in clubs, no one ever gave a shit about it and I got told to calm down and stop making a fuss.

SophoclesTheFox · 06/10/2018 07:22

I'm glad in a way they're part of a set. A lesbian friend of mine posted the Dear Transphobes one on facebook and my heart sank a bit, to be honest. Of course there wasn't a Dear Lesbophobes one, either, so...

Dear Gynephobes has a ring to it. Though to be honest, I'm not sure what this virtue signalling is meant to achieve - it turns people off from the get go. If you're trying to target people you think are homophobic, why start off calling them something they're going to object to? Are they going to listen? Nah. Then list things that decent people would never dream of doing.

More powerful would have been a list of subtly homophobic or racist things that people do, the things that slide under the radar, to make people actually think, rather than just go "Well, I don't shout at people in the street, I'm OK". It's the equivalent of a PA note on the kitchen door at work, asking people to Please Kindly Don't Leave Your Teabags In The Sink, It Is Horrid, which everyone just ignores.

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