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Transphobia v Feminism discourse...on now.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385789-Helen-Webberley-found-guilty

Here comes the anger MPs.

I do genuinely think that she is being sneaky

If MPs feel scared and unprotected, how do they think their constituents feel? I’m a blind single mum who is also a lesbian and I live in the capital of wokedom, yet I have the guts to speak out, hand out leaflets and talk to the public and wear a T-shirt that clearly marks me out. I’m far more vulnerable than they are, so what’s their excuse? Too frightened to rock the apple cart in case they lose their status? Craven bastards! There’s not an ounce of backbone or integrity to share between the cowardly lot of them. Which ever side of history I end up on, at least I’ll be there because I did something.

So much this

Ed Miliband former leader of the Labour party looks like a dangerous joke, he promoted a criminal GP who harms patients.

What do the BBC have to say about Nicky Campbell promoting the convicted GP on radio and Twitter?

I think the presenter is on a journey many of us have been on. She, Rachel Johnson and another woman were told patronisingly by Peter Tatchel and Matt Zarb-Cousins last week on the show that they had absolutely nothing to worry about when they all 3 women raised concerns about trans rights clashing with women’s/girl’s rights.

It was discussed again today.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bl5h12/politics-live-05102018

Peter Tatchele , argh don't get me started, if I hear one more pro T going on about Ireland, as he did in that interview, Ill scream, yep you let blokes into female spaces , before you gave women the right to choose, great example there PT.

Sorry, I have a sorta ranty tourettes thing, when ever PT is mentioned.

But yes I saw that one on the BBC, there were gently raising questions, and got the, there there dear response.

Its blokes who are allowed to raise questions in a much more confrontational way, and don't get patronised like us women do. .

• No males, no lies.

There is no compromise.'*

Good, but doesn't quite have the right rhythm to my ear.

No males, no lies
Women will not compromise

No males, no lies
Women will not compromise

No males, no lies
Women, do not compromise!

Not quite the same but going for longer vowels - NB, will work in some accents more than others.

Arrans is good as an exhortation- remove the comma to make it a statement.

I want to share this post. How dare they say on politics live that we have to compromise.

Tuck it, we are no longer in a democracy anyway. They funded TRA, they won't debate, they want totalitarianism.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385263-debbie-hayton-letter-times-05-10-18?msgid=81576634#81576634

AngryAttackKittens

No women or girls consented, because we were never asked. One group of blokes lobbied another group of blokes to grant them access to women's spaces, and the latter group of blokes said "yes, in this specific set of circumstances". The fact that another group of blokes later came along, decided that they found the set of circumstances decided on earlier inconvenient, and demanded that the circumstances required to grant a legal right to enter those spaces be amended to "because I say so" is the immediate reason for a lot of women getting really angry and deciding that they've had just about enough of this shit, but that is a separate (though related) issue to the fact that we were never consulted or asked for our consent in the first place. And apparently old school transsexuals didn't think that mattered. Now that women are starting to realize that whatever previous sympathy some of us may have had for that specific group is fading rapidly for many.

You should always have asked us first. You didn't. We're allowed to be angry about that.

So true, Day.