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"Butterfly" is on ITV, October 14th at 9pm

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WatchThePotatoesBoil · 04/10/2018 18:29

...which gives just enough time for Mermaids to use it as a vehicle to influence the GRA reform outcome.

It is apparently "inspired" by Susie Green's personal story (i.e. can veer into complete fiction whenever the real life version gets unpleasant) and what's the betting that each episode will end with "if you've been affected by any of the issues in tonight's programme, visit the Mermaids website at..."

I would be surprised if the landing page doesn't "helpfully" point people at their GRA "guidance"

The Mirror story ends by misspelling the drama as "Butterly" which probably represents how the story will be depicted...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/mother-transgender-jackie-explains-moment-13355068.amp?twitterr_impression=true

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TerfedOff · 04/10/2018 18:33

Well we will just have to flood every single comment place with our own opinion on the matter won't we? At least it will open up debate.

WatchThePotatoesBoil · 04/10/2018 19:08

Yes.. Sorry - didn't mean to sound quite so gloomy Smile

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TerfedOff · 05/10/2018 08:19

People can contact @ITV to complain: t.co/itmr5QaSye
Email: Customer Services on [email protected]
Call: Customer Services on 0344 881 4150
Tweet: (at)itvnews
#Butterfly #Trans Sunday October 14, 2018 on ITV at 9pm.

Maybe @samaritans should be informed too

Volant · 10/10/2018 00:13

Why assume you're going to complain? Why not wait and judge it on its own merits?

TerfedOff · 10/10/2018 00:42

Because it's bound to be a fluff piece in favour of Mermaids. You can just tell by the trailers. It's so obvious that no critical thinking will have been applied.

Also there will be no reality to it. So no shots showing any kind of surgery I'm sure. Will be propaganda through and through.

Would be delighted to be proven wrong however.

MadamBatty · 10/10/2018 08:41

There going to be a segment on this on bbc breakfast at 9.05. More bbc bias?

arranfan · 10/10/2018 08:44

Some useful stats in this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376303-Butterfly-TV-show

As in above, Prof Michael Brooks put in a FOI request for the actual number of suicides rather than Mermaid's claims and the numbers, each one a tragedy, are very different.

In sum, we know that four trans-identified children committed suicide in England and Wales since about 2008: one in 2017, two in 2016, and one apparently before 2014. To put these tragedies in perspective, the number of patients seen each year by GIDS increased from 700 in 2013/14 (when reporting began) to 2,700 in 2017/18. Figures for patients on the waiting list are not routinely reported, but we know they numbered 1,652 at the end of 2017/18.

Although calculated from only four suicides, the suicide rate is much higher than for teenagers overall—in my rough (over)estimate, 13 times greater. This is a genuine cause for concern. By comparison, anorexia multiplies the risk of suicide by 18 or 31 times (depending on the method of estimation), while depression multiplies it by 20 (Smith, Zuromski, and Dodd 2018). One study finds that autism multiplies the risk of suicide by a factor of 8 (Hirvikoski et al. 2016). This latter figure is especially relevant, given the fact that 35% of children referred to GIDS recently have moderate to severe autism (Butler, De Graaf, Wren, and Carmichael 2018).

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

VickyEadie · 10/10/2018 08:48

Radio Times article on this contains good perspective from Lily Maynard - who mentions that she and her daughter (who decided she was definitely not trans) are obliged to use aliases because of the abuse and aggression they get from TRAs .

MadamBatty · 10/10/2018 08:52

I’ll watch this & feed back even though I think I may shout at the tv. I’m on a rare day off & this may not help me relax.

R0wantrees · 10/10/2018 08:55

article by Prof. Michael Biggs about Mermaids and other TRAs use of suicide statistics in reference to the drama Butterfly:
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

& news of a new minister for suicide prevention who one hopes will be made aware of this as a need for investigation and action:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/10/uk-appoints-its-first-minister-for-suicide-prevention

R0wantrees · 10/10/2018 16:07

Andrew Giligan (Times)

"Butterfly" is on ITV, October 14th at 9pm
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