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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC has replaced the word "sex" with "gender".

25 replies

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 07:17

I suddenly noticed this last night while watching the news. It has happened quickly but quite unobtrusively. Once you listen for it, it is obvious. There were about 4 stories that I am sure would have required the use of the word "sex" only a few months ago.

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SuburbanRhonda · 03/10/2018 07:20

I noticed it too.

I was sitting watching the news with DH and every time they said gender, I shouted “sex!” at the telly.

This is how it’s creeping up on us. This is what will prevent us challenging men who say their gender is female in our spaces.

boatyardblues · 03/10/2018 07:22

It was most glaring in the recent articles about the govt proposing a ban on pre-natal disclosure of “gender” to prevent selective abortion. Sex! The word you are looking for is sex!

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 07:24

Contact them and complain, although being the BBC you are unlikely to be listened to.

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 07:26

Yes! I was shouting "sex" at the telly.
DH thinks I am over reacting.Sad

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MIdgebabe · 03/10/2018 07:26

( putting on my hard hat here ) Given the common use of the term gender reveal in scans and parties on other boards here, they may just be reflecting common use. One this morning going for a gender reveal scan.is that an NHS term?

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 07:28

I notice it on MN too. People talking about their "gender" scan etc. I can feel my blood pressure going up every time. It is pervasive.

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PyeWackets · 03/10/2018 07:29

Paris, your dh isn't a member of the sex who is under siege, that's why he doesn't get it.

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 07:30

X post.
Yes the NHS has changed terminology. Scary. Who makes these policies on language? Surely biological sex is important when it comes to health?

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GatheringHerBrows · 03/10/2018 07:31

They're inherently different though. Sex is biological; gender is a social construct. If we lose these words as meaningful entities, we lose the ability to discuss issues that affect us directly.

ChilliJamandAvocado · 03/10/2018 07:35

Deffo part of the obfuscation agenda. Erasure of sex as a meaningful concept. We need to pull everyone up on this everytime.

R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 07:48

Is it possible to get confirmation that this is an editorial decision across the BBC?

There must be a number of programs which might confirm and explain this.

iMum · 03/10/2018 07:51

This whole situation has me raging and feeling completely disconnected from the world around me-like Brexit but on a larger more primal level.
It's utterly terrifying.

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 07:53

I don't know. But it is so obvious now it must be a conscious decision and policy at a high level.
I wonder how the journalists feel about it?

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HumphreyCobblers · 03/10/2018 07:54

My DD corrects gender to sex when she hears it on the tv. I am so proud Grin

FloralCup · 03/10/2018 08:08

I've been listening to a lot of 'More or Less' podcasts. Most of the time gender is used instead of sex. The one that didn't really stood out. They were interviewing a foreign researcher (English as second language) so maybe they hadn't got the 'gender memo' yet.
It's really beginning to annoy me.

SuburbanRhonda · 03/10/2018 08:10

Well done humohrey’s DD!

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GatheringHerBrows · 03/10/2018 08:10

Media organisations have style sheets that they use to describe how certain issues should be reported. It's a thing that actually exists (yay, like women). How do we get hold of these documents for different media organisations?

SuburbanRhonda · 03/10/2018 08:11

I don’t even think it’s because of the TRA agenda. It’s because people are embarrassed about saying the word “sex”.

ParisProperty · 03/10/2018 08:17

I don't think there was ever any embarrassment around talking about same sex marriage or same sex relationships.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/10/2018 08:29

Oh they have, for a few years it seems! When you finally drill down far enough to get anything close to their actual policy it says tantara Gender not Sex in a little sidebar...

For us, diversity means all the ways we differ and it
includes everyone. It includes our visible differences
such as gender, race and ethnicity and visible disabilities.
But it also includes our non-visible differences such
as sexual orientation, social class, heritage, religion,
unseen disabilities, different perspectives and thought
processes, education, family status and age. At the BBC
it also includes the nations and regions and where our
audiences and employees live and work.

downloads.bbc.co.uk/diversity/pdf/diversity-and-inclusion-strategy-2016.pdf

www.bbc.co.uk/diversity/strategy/diversity-and-inclusion2016

Melamin · 03/10/2018 08:32

No it is a BBC wide thing. They use gender in all situations. Woman’s hour do it too. They were talking about gender discrimination in the music industry a few days ago and the woman they were interviewing said sex.
The also use BCE instead of BC in spite of saying that there has been no agreement between historians to change this.

It is their ‘style’ thing. Those who would like to see them gone see this as bias and using their influence to change society....

R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 08:39

Rebecca Reilly-Cooper article, 'Gender is not a spectrum
The idea that ‘gender is a spectrum’ is supposed to set us free. But it is both illogical and politically troubling'

(extract)
'What is gender? This is a question that cuts to the very heart of feminist theory and practice, and is pivotal to current debates in social justice activism about class, identity and privilege. In everyday conversation, the word ‘gender’ is a synonym for what would more accurately be referred to as ‘sex’. Perhaps due to a vague squeamishness about uttering a word that also describes sexual intercourse, the word ‘gender’ is now euphemistically used to refer to the biological fact of whether a person is female or male, saving us all the mild embarrassment of having to invoke, however indirectly, the bodily organs and processes that this bifurcation entails.

The word ‘gender’ originally had a purely grammatical meaning in languages that classify their nouns as masculine, feminine or neuter. But since at least the 1960s, the word has taken on another meaning, allowing us to make a distinction between sex and gender. For feminists, this distinction has been important, because it enables us to acknowledge that some of the differences between women and men are traceable to biology, while others have their roots in environment, culture, upbringing and education – what feminists call ‘gendered socialisation’.

At least, that is the role that the word gender traditionally performed in feminist theory. It used to be a basic, fundamental feminist idea that while sex referred to what is biological, and so perhaps in some sense ‘natural’, gender referred to what is socially constructed. On this view, which for simplicity we can call the radical feminist view, gender refers to the externally imposed set of norms that prescribe and proscribe desirable behaviour to individuals in accordance with morally arbitrary characteristics." (continues)
aeon.co/essays/the-idea-that-gender-is-a-spectrum-is-a-new-gender-prison

Sophia2222 · 03/10/2018 08:54

Hi everyone, I'm trying Mumsnet, again, I find it difficult to navigate so mostly I'm just lurking at the moment. I'm @sophiasmith222 on twitter. I'm posting here because just this morning I came across this article and it completely disregards sex, in language and in essence. Men or man are not used at all. Woman is only mentioned in context to "a transgender woman" and women only in his bio "member of Music Victoria’s women’s advisory panel".

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/03/public-bathrooms-are-gender-identity-battlefields-what-if-we-just-do-it-right?CMP=twt_gu

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 08:55

Well it's the guardian, there is a reason they have a falling readership.

PyeWackets · 04/10/2018 06:48

Hi @Sophia2222, I follow you on Twitter.

Stixk with Mumsnet, there are so many amazing women around and great resources. Smile

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