It's like a pincer attack

[Charliethefeminist]

boys who are distracted by knee length skirts and opaque tights need to sit the fuck back

Men in our spaces
Men policing our clothes

Men silencing our objections
Men trying to criminalise self defence

LEAVE WOMEN AND GIRLS ALONE

There is no way I believe these girls can't get skirts that meet the uniform requirements whether from Skoolkit, or John Lewis / M&S in Southampton

The teachers took these girls shopping - further humiliating them by making them try on clothes in front of them and stand in front of them in their pants (not even sure how this was legal). They tried on 8 (I think) different skirts - the teachers deemed none of them good enough.

So whilst your belief may seem reasonable (after all there was nothing wrong with their original skirts) it is wrong because, according to the teachers, multiple skirts were not good enough. You, me, and the girls and their mothers may have been able to find what looked like suitable skirts - but the teacher deemed them unsuitable for these particular girls' bodies.

The mothers bought skirts specifically from a 'curvy girl's' website (good bye self esteem) but these were inappropriate because they had a small split up the back. They offered to sew the split up. That wouldn't work either.
So then the deputy head went on a nice shopping trip to buy see through skirts ideal for upskirting that would mark them out as different to all the other girls.

Is anybody else creeped out by the idea of the deputy head and his wife going shopping and selecting these skirts, presumably out of school hours? It makes it sound like he is spending his weekend or evenings (and time in his marriage) thinking about these girls and what they should be wearing to hide their perfectly normal bodies 'curves' so that 'boys' aren't distracted.

Yes I am pretty creeper out the.

I'm always reluctant to say because I know men get an unfair press when working with children.

But the fact that spent an entire shopping trip staring at their arses in skirts and were so obsessed they bought them potato sacks to cover them well yeah...that's creepy

I don't know which teacher went on the trip with the girls - that isn't stated. And they do say 'teacher' as opposed to 'deputy head'. I would hope the school at least had the consideration for the girl's dignity to send a female teacher with them (though that is putting a poor woman in a horrible position. If it was a different teacher to the one who had the complaint they probably had no idea what the problem was - and so didn't dare OK any skirt for fear of being wrong.)

Regardless of which teacher was sent, that's just an inappropriate level of involvement in the lives of the girls outside of school. Creepy head should stop obsessing over the bums of his students.

The idea that a teen could go back to school now and know that all the kids and all the features are going to be staring at their arses or have done nothing but stare at their arses.... What an awful tho g to go back to.

Reminds me of the other thread where sone poor woman was also desperately also teying to find a school skirt that would meet approval because of the kids body shape...

Not on.

Features?

Teachers

Regardless of which teacher was sent, that's just an inappropriate level of involvement in the lives of the girls outside of school.

definitely agreed. I was just stating, in case Mr. Veal is feeling litigious, that we do not know for sure that it was him who spent an entire shopping trip judging how big the girl's bums looked in various skirts.

(which if the girls, their mother's - or anyone who knows them is reading - your bums will not have looked big in any of them. You have perfectly normal bodies and what is being done to you is outrageous.)

Shame there's no "being a huge fucking creep" crime he can be charged with.

WTAF?

Yy, Kittens. I think the family should get a solicitor. There must be some kind of breach of human rights here - right to an education, right not to be humiliated by being forced to wear those fucking atrocities while all the other girls wear normal school skirts, not to mention the trying on in front of teachers - it’s despicable.

No wonder they’ve got body issues now. And he thinks it’s fine because they can have counselling!! How about not fucking them up in the first place so they don’t need the fucking counselling?

That's the other thing, how bloody conspicuous will those girls feel walking around dressed like that? He may as well have had them write "COVER YOUR SHAME" on their foreheads.

Oh this has made me so mad. Tempted to tweet them but as others have said, we don’t 100% know the facts.

But... those poor girls. I’m a teacher and I’m pretty sure our PE teachers don’t even go into the changing rooms when kids are getting changed. They tend to ‘hurry them up’ from outside the outer door. Going shopping and trying on clothes with a teacher seems highly inappropriate.

Schools having draconian uniform and hair policies seems to have got completely out of control and no one seems to have any comeback as it’s at the discretion of the head and governors.

[Slight sidetrack: my DS was kept in isolation in his (brand new academy) school after an ingrowing toenail operation, as he was wearing trainers on podiatrist advice. He was kept there with 2 other boys with the same thing as they were not in school uniform and “it’s Health and Safety”. They proposed to keep them there until they could wear leather shoes. All three sets of parents told them where they could shove that idea].

I feel that parents need to get together and campaign on this issue.

Wtf?! Apart from the absurdity that they were actually wearing their uniform - How did the teachers take children shopping and make them try on different clothes?! That is completely inappropriate behaviour.

If it’s true that a teacher made them try clothes on and they were in a state of undress in front of them then that’s just horrendous. And possibly a breach of all sorts of guidelines

Bowlofbabelfish,
Totally agree
Can't begin to sort out how many and what kinds of wrong all this is. M

This is ridiculous. Tell girls to wear feminine clothing (skirts) and then complain when they look too feminine in it. What do they expect?
Funny how this never seems to be an issue in non uniform schools and sixth form colleges, or even out of school it would seem.
Either abolish uniform or bring in some kind of shapeless unisex uniform that can't be customised (not that these girls were even doing that).

Given that the DM also bleats about childhood obesity, I have to presume that these girls aren't the "curviest" in their year.

Oh but fat girls aren't sexy, are they?

These girls are being punished for having been sexualised by the adult male(s) employed by the school and therefore presumably supposed to have the wellbeing of the pupils at heart.

If the men think the boys are perving over the girls, where have they got that idea from? From their own knowledge of perving over girls?!?!

Yes the parents may well have decided this is the hill they are willing to die on, and I feel for the girls who may have to face a post-DM backlash. But the school need to address some serious shortcomings.

if the parents were to take the school to court, I would chip into a crowdfund for legal fees. This is sex discrimination, plain and simple.

I can't remember which schoolgirl activist said it, but "any adult who sees a child's legs and thinks of sex should be sacked immediately for gross misconduct". The same applies to children's bottoms in school skirts.

I honestly think the girls should wear abayas in protest - possibly with a big red A sewn to the front for full visual impact.