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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone want to share their thoughts about the biggest issue facing women and girls in Scottish sport?

44 replies

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 02/10/2018 13:24

The link to this just appeared on my Instagram feed.

I've replied by saying that, firstly, it's sex equality, and the biggest issue facing women in sport, is having men in their sport just because they bloody well say so.

If you want to have a say, this is the link.

I feel my small deed is done for the day, but the fact that the survey ends with 'Do you consider yourself trans' gives me no fucking hope whatsoever.

onescotland.org/equality-themes/advisory-council-women-girls/have-your-say/

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 02/10/2018 15:03

Done. Thanks for posting OP.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 02/10/2018 15:51

Done.

I have no internal sense of gender ID and so am trans according to stonewall.

As I have no internal sense of gender ID I was flummoxed by the sexuality question. If I am neither man nor woman then who can say?

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 02/10/2018 16:00

Snap, @NothingOnTellyAgain. I don't internally feel like a specific gender. So I guess I'm a rock or an amoeba or a bivalve or something.

Fucking ridiculous.

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SuburbanRhonda · 02/10/2018 16:06

You don’t have to select any of the options under gender identity. I didn’t and it still accepted my response.

VintageFur · 02/10/2018 16:07

I cornered my Tory MP (Scotland) in the summer... Didn't have a clue what I was talking about. You'd have thought Ruth Davies would've been all over this.

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 02/10/2018 16:08

God, maybe people being paid to have a clue should bloody get one, before they've got something terrible on their conscience. Sad

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Callmejudith · 02/10/2018 16:12

I'm actually finding it very satisfying and cathartic filling in all these consultations

DaniC18 · 02/10/2018 16:14

I would speak to DC about the detention and tell them it better not happen again but not impose any more punishments. Although, if they get any more detentions then I could consider imposing a punishment at home as they clearly didn't learn from detention alone x

theOtherPamAyres · 02/10/2018 16:43

Easy peasy. Done.

Gender Equality ffs. I hate that term. It reminds me of when the Green Party's Manifesto for Women (issued for general elections) got a new title thanks to Aimee Challoner and the craven leaders of the Green Party. Gender Equality - no, it's too loaded and it's got to go.

VickyEadie · 02/10/2018 16:52

Perhaps people who have not yet responded would like to join me in using statistics?

The best Scottish athlete for some considerable time is Laura Muir - she is a European gold medallist.

Her best time for 1500m: 3.55.22, a British national record (previously held by Kelly Holmes, double Olympic gold medallist).

Mens' British record: 3.28.81 (Mo Farah).

Power of Ten only goes down to the 246th best men's time - 3.42.

As you can see, it's still massively faster than Muir's women's record. Allowing men who say they're women to compete with women will destroy women's sport.

YouCantTourniquetTheTaint · 02/10/2018 17:01

Done, I said I'm Scottish - my surname is Scottish and that's the same thing right?

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 02/10/2018 17:15

Yep @YouCantTourniquetTheTaint Grin

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NotNachoing · 02/10/2018 17:23

I put my sexuality as "other" because who I want to have sex with does not impact on my ability to train or compete (or not).

SomeEnchantedEaring · 02/10/2018 17:53

Have just completed the survey and quite enjoyed doing so. Pointed out that the Scottish Government should be concerned about sex equality in sport, not gender equality (whatever that is). Glad to be able to tick Scottish though I live in England, but not really sure what the purpose of the survey is.

LassWiADelicateAir · 02/10/2018 18:57

They can get lost. I am not ticking "Other British" on any survey.

It is beyond stupid. If you are the sort of person that gets worked up about your "Scottish" ethnicity then "Other British" is offensive to anyone who considers they are English, Welsh or Irish.

I resent having "Scottish" foisted on me. My nationality is British and I live in Scotland. I will not complete any form which forces me to be "Scottish" or "Other British".

DemocracyDiesInDarkness · 02/10/2018 19:07

Seems a bit self defeating @LassWiADelicateAir?? Wouldn't it be better to bite your lip and have your say, if you have strong feelings?

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VickyEadie · 02/10/2018 19:08

Just self-id as Scottish, surely?

LassWiADelicateAir · 02/10/2018 19:14

Seems a bit self defeating@LassWiADelicateAir?? Wouldn't it be better to bite your lip and have your say, if you have strong feelings?

I have no strong feelings about women in sport in Scotland. I have strong feelings about having Scottish foisted on me. I have complained before to Scottish government about their determination to foist a Scottish identity on me.

Just self-id as Scottish, surely?

I would sooner accept c*s

theOtherPamAyres · 02/10/2018 19:40

I've got to get this off my chest and rant a bit, about something that makes me sick when I watch womens' golf. Excuse me.

In golf, you can have a caddie. When you're a little girl, your Dad will be your caddie (almost exclusively). Dads tend to do more than caddying though. During the round, they will coach, they scold, they tell the girl what to do and how. I see little girls in tears, quite often as they climb into Dad's car and leave.

When you progress to competitions and carry your own bag, Dad is still there. Between holes, they coach, they scold and they tell the teenager what to do and how. I see teen age girls in tears, in car-parks, sometimes.

In professional golf, you will have a caddie. Every shot takes an age because a significant number of these professional sportwomen confers with her man-on-the-bag. (Not all, but a lot) He hands her a club, tells her what to do and lines her up for the shot. When he's happy, he moves away. Viewers are left with the impression that a man is in control of a robot.

It is a friggin' disgrace to watch on TV or live.

These elite women golfers appear weak and submissive. They are very boring to watch. They are rotten role models.

And they wonder why women's golf is underfunded and doesn't attract more participants?

Personally, I would do something radical about the grooming of girl golfers to defer to men WHILE PLAYING IN COMPETITIONS. I would only allow unrelated people of the same sex to act as caddies.

I feel better now. Thank you.

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