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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I peaked on a volcano.

16 replies

VforVienetta · 01/10/2018 21:35

I think my head might explode.
I read most of the GRA reform document last night here , and was really baffled by the neutral language and assumptions in it.
To paraphrase;
Apparently all trans people are genuine.
They do not need a diagnosis of (or even to have) gender dysphoria.
£140 is apparently a prohibitive cost for a document that is essential to their happiness, and the paperwork is too onerous.
Gender dysphoria/transgenderism is not a mental illness and is not recognised as such by the medical community.
Apparently is is humiliating to have to be diagnosed as GD, and have to present medical histories to the panel.
If women’s spaces wish to exclude a trans person they will retain the right to do so but must prove their reasoning (seemingly case by case).
All trans people are terribly hard done by and we must all fall over backwards to accommodate them.
No critical thinking appears to have been engaged in the preparation of this document. It reads as wholly biased towards TRA, and dismissive of any other viewpoint (which apparently doesn’t exist).
NONE of the concerns we discuss here are addressed in the document, part from the repeated

I don’t feel able to process this hurricane of nonsense. I don’t think i am articulate enough to even explain why my head is so buzzing with outrage.
I have watched/read many actual trans women’s videos/posts etc, who think this is wrong, and actually harmful to them. They are now being lumped in with the part time cross dressers causing drama, when they just want to live their lives quietly and be happy.

The GRA reform doesn’t appear to be for the benefit of those with dysphoria, so why are the government capitulating on it? There is NOTHING in that document that explains why someone without dysphoria should be considered a woman in any way, legal or otherwise.

TL;DR - Surely gender dysphoria is absolutely essential to any claim to be other than that which you were born?

If i have the gist correct, they are saying that gender identity is a condition such as ASD, in that trans people are simply wired differently, and should be accepted as their preference. This is apparently accepted fact, and a reason why trans people should not be treated under mental health.
My son is autistic, and requires a medical diagnosis of that fact. He is not mentally ill, but he does have a condition that is medically diagnosable. There are parallels, but medical professionals must surely be involved in the decision of whether or not a trans person is dyphoric?

Quote;
109. Organisations may choose to make use of the exceptions in the Equality Act, but if they are used they must be applied lawfully. Many of the exceptions are qualified. For example, the Equality Act allows providers to offer single-sex services that exclude trans people so long as it is proportionate to do so and it achieves a legitimate aim. An example of a single-sex service might be a domestic violence refuge for women. The Government is aware of many refuge services that are fully trans inclusive, and allow trans women entry, but is also equally aware of services that may, in some circumstances, choose to exclude trans women and instead refer them on to a different service – this is lawful provided it is adequately justified.

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AdultHumanFemaleBirdsEye · 01/10/2018 21:38

I am sure the 41 year old featured in today's news - feels hard done by.

Charliethefeminist · 01/10/2018 21:41

It was put together by transadvocates. This is not a supposition. Who do you think wrote it? Who would they ask? Step forward LGBT officials at the Equalities office. So, basically, the T, with a slight edge taken off the raging misogyny in order for it to pass inspection.

UpstartCrow · 01/10/2018 21:42

The £140 fee is means tested.

VforVienetta · 01/10/2018 21:46

I mean, what the actual fucking fuck?? This is passing under the radar so far that every time i try to discuss it IRL people look at me like ive grown a second head.
If I hadn’t read so many threads on here and followed them up elsewhere online, i would think it was all paranoia and 2+2=736.
It’s actually happening.
I dont know what to do.

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Datun · 01/10/2018 21:47

But transmen applying to Eton? Not allowed.

Transmen in the Freemasons? Not allowed.

Transmen inheriting a title? Not allowed.

Transmen beating men at sport? None.

Transmen clamouring to get into men's prison? None.

Women haters making legislation.

museumum · 01/10/2018 21:50

I have watched/read many actual trans women’s videos/posts etc, who think this is wrong, and actually harmful to them.

I totally agree with this. Any trans woman who has lived truly presenting as a woman knows that women need female spaces for their own safety. I cannot imagine for the life of me why they’d campaign for any bloke to be able to self identify into a female space while presenting as male.

Judder · 01/10/2018 21:50

hurricane of nonsense Grin

OlennasWimple · 01/10/2018 21:52

This is why I keep starting and not getting very far with my response to the consultation... I will persevere though

VforVienetta · 01/10/2018 21:53

ALso, apparently it’s enough to say ‘Mumsnet’ for your opinion to be dismissed.
Bunch of women = dismissed.
Bunch of mums = dismissed with scorn.

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LikeDustWeRise · 01/10/2018 21:58

The rage has no end.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/10/2018 21:59

Why has everyone forgotten rule number one?
"Listen to your mother"

Oldstyle · 01/10/2018 22:02

Yes please hang on in there and complete the consultation Olennas & V... we might be ignored but given the City of London consultation responses which have forced them to bring in proper analysts and prevented the move to gender-based services (at least for the moment) I feel marginally hopeful. Lots of helpful guidance on WPUK site. Also gin and chocolate help.

fanomoninon · 01/10/2018 22:07

I did it last night and I'm afraid I missed out a few questions - because it was just Too Hard and Too Frustrating. And actually, I used my son's autism dx as a comparison in one of my rants too: I do understand that diagnosis are hard, frustrating and complex. But diagnosis is important and doesn't have to be a negative thing: my son's diagnosis was a positive thing for all of us - why can't a GD dx be a positive, affirming thing?

VforVienetta · 01/10/2018 22:23

Exactly fano! My DS is two years into the process, but we’re not going to give up because the paperwork is too hard, and the expenses are too much - it’s life! He needs his DX to progress and be supported FFS. It’ll be bloody amazing when he finally gets it!

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LangCleg · 01/10/2018 22:24

I don’t think i am articulate enough to even explain why my head is so buzzing with outrage.

I think we all get those days. I certainly do! It's all so obvious, so in plain sight.

rightreckoner · 01/10/2018 22:33

I compared it to my abortion which cost several hundred pounds (couldn’t get an NHS appointment), required two doctors to approve it and required me to walk past a group of protestors on the way into the clinic. But heaven forbid anyone should remotely discomfort these indulged idiots. A small fee and a bit of box ticking and form filling. Tell you what mate, when you are a woman I’ll pass over all the wife work and administration of children’s lives - then you’ll know what paperwork really looks like. FFS to get my daughter’s secondary school applications in took several weeks of form filling, supplementary documentation, interviews with the Vicar, references from the head. They have no sodding idea.

These men want to take my rights without even lifting a finger.

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