Does this analogy work?

[tenbob]

I've told a few friends about the Ocado issue this weekend, which has resulted in most of them deciding they will also boycott them for now (and I'm in SW London prime-ocado land so I'm hoping this counts for them...)

But in the course of our chats, I've made an analogy and I would appreciate some feedback on it...

If someone has a pet and calls themself a parent, and they really believe they love their pet as if it is was their child, I'm going to look at the photos of their furbaby, and understand why they worry when they are ill, and I'll give them time off when they have to go to the vet, and know that they love them so so completely and utterly

I'll go to the birthday parties they throw, and when people try to take the piss, I'll say 'that's not on, they aren't hurting anyone and you are being unkind and there is no need for that'.
And I'll be mindful that there might be an underlying issue or incident for why they feel strongly that their pet is their baby because I have suffered infertility and know what it is to desperately feel a hatred towards your body which isn't doing what it should, and therefore need to find something else to make it better

But if someone tried to get a school place for their cat, or statutory adoption leave for their new dog, i would 'but that is overstepping it' and I think the world would probably say that with me?

Ok, I need to explain myself again

This is not an analogy for the wider issue

This is an analogy for people who have not yet peaked and can't see the ridiculousness in laws being proposed

It is about absurdity rather than apocalypse
It's about the stupidity of twaw

*typo... the wider harm, not wonder harm obvs

And it doesn't convey the disregarding of empathy ie I would not expect you to give me your house if it meant that it would save me by seriously harming you. I don't want to profit at your expense just because I feel awful.

I think it’d be useful to help people who want to be kind and accommodating see that it’s ok and necessary to have boundaries in what you go along with.

It’s a useful springboard from which you can explain other things.

Seafret, aren't we little miss goady tonight, As in previous posts I've been a staunch defender of women's only spaces and I do actively correct/challenge those who insist transwomen are women, I also point out men even those in process of transition can trigger panic attacks for those who have suffered at the hand of men. I can only say so many times that like the majority of TS do believe that we are not women but men even after hormones, The dog with womb insertion is one of the worst arguments in the trans debates I've heard.

You will lose this battle if not careful as you refuse to see friend from foe.

Many people who's views on other subjects I dislike (e.g. Rod Liddle- eww) oppose self ID; because most people who understand the details oppose self ID. With the exception of the Tommy Robinsons of the world we should be open to a plurality of views.

I think that means avoiding insulting metaphors about transgender people. Many transgender people oppose self ID and we need their voices for this fight.

This is not an analogy for the wider issue I get the analogy. It's still insulting. It will look awful when it gets snapshotted on twitter. it will harm the cause.

We can be make loud, strong, bolshy arguments while still keeping the focus on women's rights.

How patronisng longtime!! "little miss goady" hilarious.

Do you think transsexuals should use women's spaces?

The OP wanted an analogy that TW are not women, but some people think they are. The difference is in biology, just like with the dogs. Fact!

The best analogy I've seen for showing up the utter absurdity of what TRAs are demanding was on this very board, and postulated the notion that a person could be trans-time. I can't recall the title of the thread or name of the OP, but a lot of effort was put into it and it was brilliant.

seafret
Do you think transsexuals should use women's spaces?

I've already made it clear in this thread and in others no man including TS belong in women's spaces, I think you just see the trans and your bile rises and you can't be hooped to read what is written in your extreme dislike/hatred/ignorance that some trans find the TRA's claims dangerous for all and want to help stop the self ID etc

Terrible analogy. Insulting to both trsns people and pet owners. You don't need an analogy to explain that men don't understand women's lives so don't understand what we're being asked - mostly by men - to give up.

A separate point is the vulnerability of children being lied to that they can change sex, and being lied to about the lifetime consequences.

I don't remember reading any of your other thread posts longtime so I would have no idea what you think.

If you don't like the analogies you could suggest some of your own.

There does seem to be a consistent and widespread need to find analogies for this issue.

Women saying no doesn't appear to be enough. Nor logic, statistics, integrity, or an understanding of sexism.

So I do understand why people relentlessly try to find the perfect analogy in order to provide everybody with the lightbulb moment some seem to be missing.

You should just be able to say but come on, you can't identify as XYZ, if you aren't XYZ, right?

The reason you can't just say that is because it's got nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with the trumping of reality by bullying/coercion/ intimidation/guilt tripping.

Therefore no analogy is going to work.

So to respond to the OP

DP and I are child free and we ADORE our DCat. But if for example we were to go and stay in a pet-free hotel, we would not expect them to accommodate her as off she were a child. If we were to emigrate to New Zealand, we wouldn't ask their quarantine regulations to be waived because we identified her as a human. If a friend with a severe allergy visited us, we wouldn't tell them not to bother with asthma inhalers because she was just like a human really.

We wouldn't take her to the GP instead of the vet because... etc

In short, we might be crazy cat people but we don't ask others to play along.