Shocking levels of gynophobia

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A thread to discuss misogyny in it's evolving guise and how we resist this and progress women's rights.

It's bizarre isn't it, just how much men fear women?

How do we combat this fear?

I saw lot's of chat about PP's not toeing the nice demure lady line and honestly speaking for herself yesterday on TM. I applaud that and hope we see more of it rather than suggestions that she get press training to be more "likeable". Obedient women are not heard or taken seriously, disrespectful women are set up and publicly chastised (like PP yesterday) so that must be the way to be heard in the current social media driven climate. There is no such thing as bad press right?

In my own rl I determine to speak my mind more and stop feeling compelled to people please on the subject of freedom for women and girls. I am not brave but determine to be braver.

Men don't fear women though. They just think they are superior and entitled to be in control.

I don't think they fear us. They* show the same sort of entitled affront when asked to treat us as human beings as one might feel on going to put a wash on if the washing machine demanded half your dinner and a go on the remote control and that from now on you take turns doing the washing.

*NAMALT and so forth

Cross post!

Many of the men the OP is talking about despise women, though. Dr Hardup for one. Most TRAs.

www.fearof.net/fear-of-women-phobia-gynophobia/

Just the pop psychology search result but I am sure someone qualified will be along shortly...

Scared of us meeting and talking

Scared of us laughing at them

Scared of us not going along with their delusional beliefs

Scared of us having our own spaces

Scared of us having equal pay

Scared of us having our own sports

Scared of us having our own achievement lists

All the anger and hate comes from fear I think.

I don't buy it. Men don't fear women, they fear other men.

I think the idea that they fear us is just one more myth the patriarchy puts about in order to activate our socialisation so that we respond to abuse with compassion.

How many of us are scared of transpeople?

None, we just don't want to give up the definition of women to men and all the science that it is based on.

But everyday we are accused of being transphobic or "frightened" which belittles what we are trying to discuss. Let's turn that around.

The 'fear' is of losing control.
The hatred is from those who can't control us. Those who think they should have sex on demand or a live in skivvy

The only reason to stop women organising and having conversations about being women is fear.

If the accusation of transphobia is met repeatedly with "I am not afraid of transpeople" it may force the conversation on from the bigotnodebate stance.

This forcing of language on us should be debunked at source wherever possible to show it for the gobbledeegook it is.

People seem to respond viscerally to anything othering "-phobia" whereas nobody seems as bothered about misogyny as a label.

It isn't logical but neither is labelling a woman concerned about women's rights afraid of transpeople.

I think it is fear. They are just defended against (cannot face up to/acknowledge those feeling) these feelings and don't recognise them/identify them as something else.

This fear makes them angry and resentful. Some can manage those feelings in more socially accepted ways and act on them more subtly. Others are just straight up violent.

I strongly feel that the removal of the woman billboard was gynophobia in action and to me Harrop comes across as extremely gynophobic.

I still can't understand how a medical practitioner can continue to publicly grandstand such bigoted views without reprimand or caution from the GMC. I would never consent to being a patient!

Has anyone reported him to the GMC for bringing the profession into disrepute? His appalling attitudes and behaviour toward women, and his lamentable lack of basic scientific or biological knowledge are making him a laughing stock.

He is the topic of ongoing threads here so someone may know

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3354331-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-third-yes-weve-edited-the-title

Dr H has been reported previously. I believe they dropped it, but said they would kick the complaint down the chain to the person who is his supervisor.

I agree there is a phobia at play, not a phobia of women exactly but a phobia of what women could achieve if we were able to organise amongst ourselves and change society - a society that is set up to prioritise males - in any meaningful way.
That is their unconscious fear. Which is why they do everything they can to prevent it.

I think alot of men show a certain vicious fury if women step out from being kind, sweet or deferential.

I see this in my life alot, I have men in my family I truly love, but from the wokest to the most old fashioned they have this in common.

It has me very weary. I feel every relationship I have ever had with a man is hugely conditional on that dynamic.

I am fast reaching 'peak men' and realising that the payout of being liked/approved is not worth the loss.

Sorry, rambling but I am at a loss at the moment. I thought time moved forward but I am gutted when I think of the world my daughter's may have to navigate. At a loss and then utterly, thoroughly pissed off.

So no, Posie Parker must absolutely not try and be kind or change herself at all. One more strong angry women performing 'non threatening lady' is an own goal.