Cultural appropriation

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Why don't trans women get accused of cultural appropriation when dressing up as women? I'm naive and probably ignorant due to being new on here but I'm interested and hoping to be educated here x

I would say probably because they're men. But I would like to know too.

If I'm not allowed to dread my hair for example, why are men allowed to use my female culture as a costume? Am I way off? I'm honestly so confused

Exactly. If P Bunce went to work dressed as a Muslim or a poc, he sure as hell would, as would I.

But its some how ok for men to pretend to be women, dress up as what they think we look like (pink dress and lacy tights? anyone wear that to work?). I guess its becasue it was initiated by powerful men and women are just seen as less important and less likely to complain about it (wrong, as these boards show)

I discount genuine trans people who have GRC and have transitioned from this bleak assessment as I think many of them do genuinely feel dysphoria, for whatever reason, and are presenting as women for a different reason.

I once said on another site that dressing in blackface doesn't make me black and it really didn't go down well.

@SnuggyBuggy I can imagine it didn't! But I understand and appreciate your point!

They can dress however they like, they call themselves whatever they wish but adopting the culture of the female sex is theft of our struggle.

It is taking the hundreds of years long struggle of women who have been abused, raped, subjugated, paid less, demeaned, trapped, assaulted, murdered etc. and appropriating it for their own validation.

I don't care that they want to wear dresses, which are currently seen as a feminine garment, but I do care about not being able to say women means a female only

Why don't trans women get accused of cultural appropriation when dressing up as women?

Good question.

The same wokeys who will whole-heartedly denounce one cultural appropriation will whole-heartedly support another cultural appropriation.

I think it's because they are men, so what they do gets questioned less anyway

And because other woke men, deep deep down think that dressing as a woman is demeaning and pathetic and therefore not worthy of being called out. And maybe some women feel this too.

I don't know this for sure

I totally agree, op and I've never seen an answer to this.

There's a chapter of The Whole Woman by Germaine Greer called Pantomime Dames (from memory) that's quite interesting.

Yes, I have wondered this too, I find it deeply sexist, but that seems to be the only "ist" that anyone can do theses days, not only do, but get awards and phrase for.

I wonder if they would want so much to be women if we didn't have all the things we fought for of millennia. Such as the right to vote, the ability to work the same jobs as men etc etc, if women are still stuck at home doing all the domestic stuff, would they be so up for colonizing us.

There's someone in an academic institution in the USA ho identifies as a Hindu woman and someone else who identifies as a Filipino woman I believe. I think if they'd identified as Hindu/Filipino men, they'd be castigated but if you throw women ID into the mix, race/nationality is fair game.

Oh the Hindu identifying person works at a woman's centre! purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2016/04/15/white-man-who-identifies-as-a-hindu-woman-is-a-university-womens-centre-coordinator/

Here's the other one: nypost.com/2017/11/13/transracial-man-was-born-white-identifies-as-filipino/

I've asked this exact same question on here before, but about men in drag.

And why don't black people get accused of cultural appropriation when they straighten their hair?

Black people straightening their textured hair (lots of black people naturally have straight hair btw) is totally different.
White people are racist against black people. Black people get abuse and assaults due to having textured hair. They are othered because of it.
They are discriminated against at school and work because of it.
Straightening it to fit in and succeed at work (and risk burns from chemical relaxers) is miles apart from Derek wearing a negligee and putting photos on tindr

Hmmmm. Not sure I completely agree, though think I understand what you're trying to say.

I bloody hate men in drag though. Particularly as they always parody women. What the hell is so funny about Mrs Brown? And why wasn't that role given to a female actor?
Why is the BBC allowed to employ a man to play a female role?

Herat - that's really offensive for the reasons the poster explained above.

Kind of agree with OP. A lot of the time it's just playing dress-up. Which is fine until you think that means you can legally be a woman.
Men could/can have their own feminine-style look, without dressing as a 'woman.'
Don't think I'm making much sense this morning though!

I hate Mrs Brown too.

They can dress however they like, they call themselves whatever they wish but adopting the culture of the female sex is theft of our struggle.

What is the culture of the female sex?

The argument I've heard for drag is that it is supposed to destabilise gender specifically by showing that it is all just a silly costume and performance, rather than something innate and true. I get it on an intellectual level but I still don't like it very much, and I especially hate how common slurs like bitch and slut seem to be.

But obviously this only works because the men doing it say that they are men wearing a costume. People who say that they are wearing a dress to express their gender soul are obviously actually reinforcing gender, not destabilising it at all. Unsurprisingly, drag has been criticised by TRAs for being transphobic.

But traditional femininity isn't my culture, it's something that the prevailing culture has attempted to force on me. So I don't really see it that way.

I once asked this on the main board and never really got a proper answer. "It just isn't the same" was about as far as they got to explaining it.

What is the culture of the female sex

I think I perhaps phrased it badly.
However I think most women are raised as lesser, are given a life to struggle through and have to deal with judgement and fear from society.

You’ll never hear me accusing anyone of cultural appropriation, btw, because without ‘appropriation’ there can be no culture.

Sorry, my post above was a general point, not a reply to your reply

I’m sure trans people (however defined) have their own struggles, but we can all agree that men can’t possibly share women’s. Obviously