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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans-prisoner in Sweden

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SusanBunch · 25/09/2018 17:18

I have just read about this very distressing case in the Swedish news. Kristoffer Johansson killed and dismembered his ex-girlfriend, Vatchareeya Bangsua, aged 20. He then pretended that he was concerned and joined in the search for her. He was convicted for murder and sentenced to 14 years, later reduced to 10 years and manslaughter. It was revealed at sentencing stage that he had also killed and dismembered his dog. He is in a category 1 security jail in Sweden, the highest security possible. He has been described as 'very violent'.

Kristoffer now identifies as a woman called 'Kim Marie' and has apparently 'known he was a woman' since age 5. He has applied for and been granted permission to be transferred to one of two female prisons. He will be transferred shortly. There are no category 1 prisons for women in Sweden, only category 2. So Johansson will not only switch to a female jail, but also be downgraded to a lower security one.

In the whole of Sweden, there are only around 250 women in jail. Only 5 of these are serving life sentences. The women's prisons are a community where they engage in gardening and have a common-room. They resemble youth hostels more than jails. Women are even allowed to have their own metal cutlery in their rooms. They sew their own clothes to wear rather than wear prison uniform. Often, there are young children living in the prison with their mothers, although usually only for up to a year. The guards explain that the majority of female prisoners have been victims of some sort- of male violence, child abuse, sexual assault etc. Prison is no walk in the park, but it's a place where they can be rehabilitated. Criminologists have spoken about the fact that male and female prisons are worlds apart. For instance, male prisoners would never be allowed to keep cutlery in their rooms due to the risk of violence.

The thought of Johansson entering this female space is quite frankly sickening. He has violently murdered and dismembered those weaker than him, shows little remorse, is a huge risk, and is physically intimidating. Yet his request has been approved. The report from the prison authorities talked endlessly about his feelings and his desires, yet did not mention a single word about the feelings and safety of female prisoners. A Swedish journalist called Kajsa Ekman has written about the case, but has predictably been labelled as transphobic.

This is so frightening and heartbreaking for the female prisoners. I bet they are terrified. It's not been reported in the English press I think, but I came across it on Twitter.

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FruitCider · 25/09/2018 21:29

Oh and there's no segregation unit in the majority of female prisons either...

Yarnswift · 25/09/2018 21:33

Using my other name for this as the following would be fairly identifyingvwith a few other bits of info.

live in Sweden. I’m absolutely appalled by this, I hadn’t heard. Women’s prisons here are very low security...

These are fairly broad generalisations but there’s truth in the ‘blue eyed swede’ cliche, that is that in general Swedish people are very law abiding and also somewhat naive in my opinion about what others are capable of. dh tends to be very positive about people and I’ve had to work to get him to see the issues with the trans activism.
The culture here is pretty non toxic in terms of gender - there’s no pink princess culture and far less toxic masculinity.

I struggle to express how I feel the naivety exists here because it doesn’t go down well. We’ve also just had an extreme right wing party poll 17% in the national elections and there’s a societal division between people who want to discuss things like this and stuff like gang violence etc and those who are, I think understandably, wary of doing so in case they are labelled (that right wing party are of Nazi origin, they make UKIP look like Claire in the community.)

Anyway. Grim.

SusanBunch · 25/09/2018 22:00

Sorry, Fruit, I am not totally up to speed on prison classifications. Anyway, Hinseberg, which is the prison where this guy is likely to go, is definitely a closed prison, but not of the same category as his current male prison. Here is a video of the prison. It is in Swedish, but just watching it, you get a feel for what it's like as a place and how horrific it would be if someone like Johansson was allowed access to it.

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AbsintheFriends · 25/09/2018 22:06

Part of me thinks 'women will have to die for people to wake up to this.'

The rest of me thinks 'women will die. It won't make any difference.'

It's terrifying.

Ereshkigal · 25/09/2018 22:08

This is horrific.

FruitCider · 26/09/2018 06:10

OP that is pretty similar to enhanced areas of closed female prisons in the uk today, in terms of decor, security etc. Standard areas are not much further behind, and even the basic wings are far nicer than enhanced wings in male local remand/Cat b prisons.

SusanBunch · 26/09/2018 10:53

That's interesting, Fruit. I can certainly see why male prisoners would want to move to the female estate. The conditions are certainly better there. There needs to be an absolute ban on it. There is nothing to stop them building a specific trans wing in a male prison. Heck, they can even build one in a female prison for all I care. The important thing is that there is no mixing between natal female prisoners and trans women.

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GulagsMyArse · 27/09/2018 10:44

This beggars beleif. No one who had committed this type of crime should be allowed to transition.

FFS

Needmoresleep · 27/09/2018 10:50

And not surprising that a significant section of the Swedish electorate have lurched to the right. Presumably they dont feel woke policians are hearing their concerns. This is the sort of issue that has ordinary people distrusting mainstream politicians- and that is dangerous.

misscockerspaniel · 27/09/2018 16:30

This is horrific and anybody who thinks that it is acceptable needs their head examined.

The only thing I can suggest is to write to the Swedish Ambassador to the UK. His details are:

Torbjorn Sohlstrom [dots over the "o"s]
The Swedish Embassy, 11 Montagu Place, London W1H 2AL

DunkerOfSussex · 27/09/2018 16:48

If you were trans, wouldn't you rather people see stories like this and have them pin them on the fact that we live in a gendered society and that transowmen will retain their socialization. Because the alternative is that transwomen are aberrations of womanhood. If all of your complete psychopaths in the women's prison just happen to be trans and trans people make such a statistically insignificant portion of the population, you have a very large problem.

CircumzenithalArc · 27/09/2018 22:41

AbsintheFriends
Part of me thinks 'women will have to die for people to wake up to this'.
The rest of me thinks 'women will die. It won't make any difference'

I feel the same. So sickened by this. So angry.

Suiesen · 27/09/2018 23:47

hes ffn faking it, put him first in line for gender correction
let doctor say hes loosing his dick before he goes to woman prison

Bolloxio · 28/09/2018 00:17

Wow this case is horrific, and yet again I cannot believe anyone can support it. Anyone who thinks this is anywhere near OK must hate women, tbh.

Cloudspider · 28/09/2018 12:19

Bit of a derail so apologies but does anyone know if he was also prosecuted for killing the dog? It's just Sweden has relitivly good animal protection laws, and i would think its unlikely he would be allowed to keep a dog again. Which leads me to believe that dogs have more protection than women.

peaktrans · 30/09/2018 16:04

Horrific

QuietContraryMary · 10/10/2018 17:39

So apparently Johansson had written pornographic fantasies about the female prison officers at his prison, which were found in his cell

www.aftonbladet.se/a/4de6xR/

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/10/2018 17:53

Of course he did, how unsurprising. This man is a clear and obvious danger to women and girls.

heresyandwitchcraft · 10/10/2018 19:14

Sweden better not let this go ahead. This man is dangerous as all hell, and he belongs nowhere near any women. This whole thing gives me nightmares.

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