Is anyone judicially reviewing this stuff?

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Fairly recent peak trans. Lurking since then really.

Just wondering if anyone (organisations etc) are, or are considering bringing a judicial review on any of the recent goings on?

I will support with some money (not that I have much) but I totally agree we need to do more to challenge those who have been scheming against us using the law for decades.

If I could offer more than money, I would. Sorry :(

Also, a charity would mean that we don't have to share all our strategy in the open. It is one thing to debate the problems and issues openly, but giving it all away just gives the AWAs even greater advantage.

I would certainly be prepared to support such a charity.

I would give money to such a charity.

Adding my willingness to support

The Karen White case - we are not out of time for a damages claim for anyone affected by KW’s time in prison.

I am no longer in PI but there would be no problem to find no win no fee lawyers to take a case against the prison. That would be an easy win. The claimant addressees the matter to the prison - it is reasonably foreseeable that a sex offender would offend - and the prison pass it to the insurers. Insurance/costs for prisons rise and thus prisons have a financial risk whenever considering housing a man in with women.

I've been trying to guide a number of people through the on-line GRE consultation document and despite the fact that I'm normally considered pretty literate some of it's been a struggle. I know a couple of people who've given up. They're not stupid, they're just not used to the language and they end up confused and scared they've said the wrong thing.

Is this something that could be legally challenged? Sure a public consultation on a change to the law that could change the human rights of 50% of the population should be expressed in words that the average person in the street can understand.

We may not be able to have a charity because of restrictions on what charities can do. We may be able to have a non-charitable trust. I will do some more reading after work.

One of my concerns with self ID is that it seems like it will make it impossible for authorities to collect sex based statistics to monitor whether they are discriminating on the basis of sex. Is this already happening (Statistics being collected for gender but used to consider sex based discrimination)? And would that be a reasonable test case? It seems to capture the erasure of women as a protected class issue that is at the heart of (my) concerns with self-ID.

Apologies for not being able to link this to the original thread (it's a MN thing). But Baracker wrote something that struck me as very powerful.

---Quotation starts

You are transexual with a GRC, you know that the law is on your side, that legally you have been issued an entitlement over women.
Men created the Yogyakarta principles for you.
Men lobbied for you.
Men in the House of Commons debated for you.
Men in the House of Lords debated for you.
Men made a law for you.
Men devised an authorisation process for you.
Men made judgements, set legal precedents for you.
Men created surgeries for you to tell you the male body could be made to 'look female'.
Men gave you a certificate to force people to pretend you were Female.
Men gave you legal rights over females.

You talk of your 'banishment' from Female spaces.
Of 'being willing to debate our rights' with us
Of 'finding solutions'

You say you're an intellectual.
Are you intellectually honest?
What you have is a legal mandate, from men, over women.
The question is, will you use it, once you see it for what it is?
Will you hold it over women and proffer us an opportunity to 'debate' our boundaries and our rights with you, holder of a male mandate?

Or will you reject it and see this abominable situation for what it is; yet one more example in a millennium long history, of men asserting dominance over women?

You have a legal mandate. It is not a moral one. It has always been immoral.

-----Quotation ends

At this point i agree a charity is possibly problematic add also unnecessary.

I don't know about the status of campaign groups but that may be enough to support a claim and crowd find in support of an individual or other body that had standing to bring a claim.

How is Teli constituted? It has sponsors but doesn't seem to have directors or trustees.
I really don't know much about the ways that different groups, organisations and funds can be constituted. It just concerns me that compared to, say, FPFW, this idea could involve quite big money. It would need a fund ready and waiting, and then could incur costs later if a case was lost, so there would need to be accountability and people who are responsible.

Anyway this is a complete derail of this thread, but my googling on this came up with a debate in the commons in 2017. Penny Maudant welcomes the consultation on the GRA to include removing the medical diagnosis etc., but also introduced a new bill to make it possible for trans people to apply to companies house to withhold their former name. That is, at the same time making it easy for any old crook to get a GRC and making it possible for that to cover up your crooked past.
Margot James argued against but ends saying "Transparency will remain a high priority for the register of companies, but we must consider her arguments and I will consider what she asked for as part of our review." Not sure which review she's referring to.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2017-11-20/debates/45F8123F-2D20-4B15-9EEC-322D320C866F/CompaniesHouseAndTransgenderPersons

I am a bit stunned.

Basically- it's a way to erase all past transgressions/ crimes.

Don't deadname, Susan (no idea if that's her/its new chosen name) by reminding anyone she is actually Ian Huntley, that's a HATE CRIME!

Surely these policies are SCREAMING out to be legally challenged? The crime stats thing has just been making me furious. More and more furious.

I would also give to crowd funder

I really think a legal challenge needs to happen. Could a legal challenge happen where a victim is forced to use a pronoun which doesn't reflect biological sex of attacker in court? Because isn't coercive control now illegal in law, and that is coercive control at an institutional level? As I said before I would very happily donate to legal expenses.

I would also contribute to legal expenses etc. Does anyone know the procedure for trying to reach Karen White's victims in the female prison to bring charges? Or would another angle work better?

I'm in. Whatever I can offer I will bring. I have filled out that almost impenetrable GRA consultation, which is biased towards the trans agenda, and I refuse to stay silent. I am writing to my MP, to the editor of every national newspaper in the land, and to anyone else I can think of. I have a pen, and I'm not afraid to use it.

I’m in for helping to crowd fund and I’m also in if you need someone to actually help administrate it. I am not qualified but can run a transparent client account so would be ok to help keep track of everything in and out. I’ve also just finished work so not over bothered about my name being out there.

So the judgment in Lee v Ashers Baking Company Ltd is out dealing with discrimination, clashes of rights and freedom of expression.

Not read the whole judgment yet but from the commentary so far it seems it may be relevant to some of the issues we are discussing here. Particularly, with freedom of expression and the right not to be forced to express a political opinion which you do not believe.

I would contribute to crowd funding for this.

I would contribute

opens virtual wallet

I would like to contribute.

I know it is impossible to estimate accurately, but what would the ball park figure be for a judicial review? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

I would definitely chip in.

Very happy to find this thread and to see GC lawyers are about. I think legal cases are urgently needed because the whole public sector and the NHS is shit scared right now and writing policy accordingly. Some legal lines in the sand would be very reassuring as the demands get bigger and more widespread.