Transing five and six-year olds - the guidance.

[OnlyObjectivity]

Last night I took a look at the latest Schools Toolkit by Allsorts/Mermaids in conjunction with Brighton & Hove Council.

Its case studies are meant to illustrate best practice in:

• Transing a five-year old
• Transing a six-year old
• Transing a eleven-year old

Then they warn that during school inspections Ofsted will pay particular attention to outcomes for a range of groups of learners including ‘transgender children and learners’. and make a particular point of stating that the effectiveness of leadership, management and govenors will be judged.

I wrote a long post critiquing this document, but then I read:

Scenario 2

Parent to school: ‘My daughter doesn’t want a boy changing next to her, what if he looks at her body?’

Underpinning this scenario is the idea that a trans girl is not a ‘real girl’ and this would be something that a whole setting approach would challenge through training and awareness raising. A Human Rights response would be to state that the child is a girl and as such has the right under the Equality Act to change with the girls and to be treated fairly as such.

• at which point I lost the ability to write any kind of measured response...

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Then they warn that during school inspections Ofsted will pay particular attention to outcomes for a range of groups of learners including ‘transgender children and learners’. and make a particular point of stating that the effectiveness of leadership, management and govenors will be judged.

I have no little expertise in this matter, so my expert opinion on this is: what a crock of scaremongering shit.

Ofsted will look at the educational outcomes for all groups of learners and will pay particular attention to those children who traditionally underachieve (there is no data to suggest that 'trans' children do so at present). They closely examine each school's safeguarding processes and will be especially interested in parents' questionnaires, etc which suggest any children are not being adequately safeguarded - that would include the privacy and safety of XX girls.

This "guidance" has been cleverly (not that cleverly if you're a head who knows her job) designed to try to frighten governing bodies and heads into doing as it tells them.

The guidance is that children should be taught not to trust their gut instinct or the evidence of their senses.

It's dangerous.

This is extremely manipulative.

Vickyeadie

How much influence do Mermaids and Stonewall have with Ofsted though?

twitter.com/mrkhtake2/status/1043472035974979584

Excellent twitter thread on this. It's a safeguarding nightmare. Clearly there are conflicts of interest and those being thrown under the bus are young children. All of them.

Plus this, which has already been posted several times in other threads.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/22/nhs-taken-to-court-over-fertility-services-for-transgender-patients

Quote:

'By extracting and storing eggs and sperm before they undergo gender reassignment, transgender people can choose to have their biological children delivered via surrogates later in life. However, many are keen to proceed with treatment when they are teenagers, and may not have the resources to pay for such fertility services. This, the commission argues, discriminates against transgender people, whom it says should be offered the services as a standard procedure.'

My bold. Surrogates? Do they not understand the position regarding surrogacy in the UK?

www.gov.uk/legal-rights-when-using-surrogates-and-donors

Oh, they completely understand the position on surrogates placemats.

The current law on surrogacy is on the target list of legislation to be changed from "law intended to protect vulnerable women and centre the needs of children" to "law to give penis people the right to whatever they want."

placemats

The whole "reproductive storage" thing is as sickening as the surgeons who say transboys could be given back breasts later in life should they changed their mind.

The twitter thread you mention is in reference to the old pack. The one I link to above is new as of September 1st.

That Twitter thread is excellent.

Thanks for the clarification Only

The current law on surrogacy is on the target list of legislation to be changed from "law intended to protect vulnerable women and centre the needs of children" to "law to give penis people the right to whatever they want."

Is this your belief Fermats (not that I disagree) or do you have evidence this will happen?

IMO I have never heard transgender being mentioned in Ofsted inspections. Data isn't collected on so-called trans children

They look at outcomes for SEN children PPG children, EAL children, 'looked after' children (I think)

What a crock of shit. I won't shut up if they come to my school

I don't have evidence, but I do see a growing upswell of opinion, driven by cuddly, fluffy articles in the press (Kardashians, Tom Daly etc) where various poster families are held up lamenting how hard it is to find a surrogate in the UK because of our restrictive laws, and calling for the law to be changed to allow for commercial surrogacy. (For the record, I'm sure Tom and his husband will be excellent fathers, and I have no doubt they love their child very much, but that's not the point, legally speaking, because the law is there to cover all cases, not just individual nice cases, and to protect everyone, not just allow for the situations where it all works out okay because the individuals involved are nice people.)

I can spot a Trojan horse when I see one.

I don't understand. If you're put on blockers and then cross sex hormones as a teenager, how do you even get mature gametes for storage?

Those parents of 5 and 6 year olds! The social transition is clearly being done without clinical guidance (the school counsellor in one case study referred to the Tavi). All the published guidance is that social transition at that age should be done extremely cautiously and with every expectation that things will resolve during puberty.

Talk about the wild west - it's the scary south down on the coast!

Why not protect and defend any child's gender presentation and deal with the bullying that comes with that?

I can spot a Trojan horse when I see one.

Me too.

Me three!

I don't understand. If you're put on blockers and then cross sex hormones as a teenager, how do you even get mature gametes for storage?

Good question. Puberty would have to take place and females would have to undergo egg harvesting which entails medication, extra female hormones, and a minor operative procedure, often done via the vagina. Certainly males would have to undergo puberty too to develop the testes. It just doesn't make any sense.

Yes, what Fermats said.

The push to detoxify the idea that women's bodies are commodities that men should be able to purchase is proceeding on a number of fronts

Just looking through it.

Looks similar to other advice eg to GG, Swim England, teh Gymnastics ones, all are being advised by the same groups.

This was VERY telling though. Can you see what I see?

"Due to the age limits currently in place on hormone treatment testosterone and oestrogen) under 16s do not have access to irreversible treatments."

Yep. I see it too.

Once again it is involving other people in solving your problems, saving you, making it all alright, not just by needing a simple antibiotic, but by needing another woman's body to carry your child. No one should be suggesting that as a normal everyday expectation.

Maybe it will become a forced career path for longterm unemployed women, like sex work in return for social security in Germany.

Males take longer to develop their skeleton. Brain development in both sexes ends at around 25.

Seafret It will not be presented as 'forced' though. It will be presented as empowering and a way for women to make loads of money. Until the day comes when it's so common that it will be the price of a months rent and a way of keeping the wolves from the door.

'Sex for £4: Life in Liverpool's red district.'

www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7f0cb09c-87b0-4cfa-9653-bab1028a2c55

I HATE the phrase 'red district'.

This is the advice the Tavistock gives to parents of younger children:

Social transition? Based on knowledge of child development and our experience of working with families, we know that some younger children benefit from a period of ‘watchful waiting’ when they appear to be questioning their assigned gender. The decision to move to a full social transition (e.g. changing the child’s gender identity in school) requires careful thought and preparation, and needs to be done in a way that does not limit options for further exploration by the child.

gids.nhs.uk/parents

Oh, yes placemats we will be doing them (and society) a favour :(

they can give up their wombs too if they have more than 3 children and won't be a surrogate.

"Due to the age limits currently in place on hormone treatment testosterone and oestrogen under 16s do not have access to irreversible treatments."

They have accidentally included thier view of what they want in the future
Showing that this is not a neutral document
But a document written by a lobbying organisation
That would like to see hormone treatment available at younger ages

Currently

Such a small word to show up such a big point.