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A word on terms.

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FloralBunting · 22/09/2018 23:30

I'd like to put forward a suggestion, originating from a very wise GC feminist, that I think is worth some consideration.

I know the acronym TRA has caught on, but JackyHolyoake said to me today that she thought Anti-Woman Activists was much better, and I agree.

I've been careful to distinguish between Transpeople and TRAs, to make it clear that I have nothing against Transpeople themselves. But I don't have anything against them having reasonable rights, the same as any other human, so I'm feeling that saying my opponents are rights activists of any stripe just isn't accurate.

What I and every other GC person I have ever spoken to object to, fundamentally, is the stripping away of the rights and protections of women and girls. This fight is not about Trans rights. It's about Women's Rights, and anyone who is trying to undermine or hand over women's rights is Anti Women.

So I'm not going to call them TRA anymore. I'm going to call them AWA - Anti Women Activists. If I can't call a man a man, or he, then I will make plain what I can make plain.

Be Anti Women, get called Anti Women.

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VickyEadie · 22/09/2018 23:39

I like it.

Trousered · 22/09/2018 23:41

Anti-Woman Activists

Datun · 22/09/2018 23:44

And I differentiate between trans rights and trans demands.

They are not the same.

Trousered · 22/09/2018 23:46

Anti-woman activists with anti-woman demands.

carceralfeminist · 22/09/2018 23:50

Yes, I like the idea of calling them anti-women activists, because this is what they are. For my own thinking, anti-women activists is slightly too broad a term, as it could encompass incels/anti-women religious extremists/MRAs. So personally, I am going to continue using the language of trans activism/TRAs because that is how this movement describes itself. As always, I distinguish between trans activism/ideology versus trans people/transsexuals. The former consists of nonsensical ideas and frankly dangerous political policies, whereas the latter are people who should have human rights and freedom from harm.
But you are completely correct. The ideas espoused by the individuals I worry about are vehemently anti-women, the most militant activists seem very misogynistic and we should be able to name the problem.

AspieAndProud · 22/09/2018 23:52

TRA is a play on MRA - Men's Rights Activists. Nobody is against men's rights, but that's not what the MRA movement is about. They are a male supremacist movement. If someone starts banging on about rights for white people - as if we don't already have rights - you can be fairly confidedent it's isn't equality they are after either.

TRAs aren't concerned with transgender rights as much as demanding women submit to them.

They are another supremacist movement.

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FloralBunting · 22/09/2018 23:54

Tbh, given the cotton ceiling issue, I think there's a good argument to be made that the movement already encompasses Incels at the very least.

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carceralfeminist · 22/09/2018 23:59

Yes. There is much much much overlap.
The cotton ceiling makes me want to puke every time I think about it.
Anti-women activists, the whole bunch, just with different ways to justify attacking female rights.

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FloralBunting · 23/09/2018 00:10

Quite.

I can't say it enough, and it's my go to now when someone brings up the four letter T slur or whatever variant on Trans focus they have decided they will try on today. I have no interest in Trans rights beyond people being allowed to present as they feel they need to without judgement in our society.
My only concern in Women's Rights and I will fight things which undermine them, whatever clothes they choose to wear.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 23/09/2018 05:21

👍👍 and feel free to correct me if I forget....AWA AWA AWAs

GulagMilkMonitor · 23/09/2018 05:43

I agree and a number of us have been using anti-female or anti-woman activists for some time now.

inquiquotiokixul · 23/09/2018 05:59

Makes sense.
Trans people absolutely should have 100% human rights.
No-one's human rights include the right to force other people to believe something that they do not believe.

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FloralBunting · 23/09/2018 06:47

GulagMilkMonitor, absolutely, and I in no way want to claim this is my idea. Just thought it would be useful to highlight it because the anti-trans accusation has got on my tits once too often.

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donquixotedelamancha · 23/09/2018 08:11

Another vote for AWA. Good call floral. We need to keep the focus here:

My only concern in Women's Rights and I will fight things which undermine them, whatever clothes they choose to wear.

SophoclesTheFox · 23/09/2018 08:54

Yes, I like it.

I think it quite neatly captures the hangers-on and assorted rum cove carpet-baggers that the ideology attracts. It amuses me how this crowd, despite being baffled by the shifting constellation and grey areas of what a woman is, still seem to be able to unerringly target exactly who they think needs to shut the fuck up

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