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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Identifying as female to sell blood

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TurfClub · 21/09/2018 17:31

This is a complaint by 'Nicole Throckmorton aka Nicholas Throckmorton'.

outinsa.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2018.09.19-Throckmorton-Nicole-FS-Corr-to-Alex-Lopez.pdf

Under US rules MEN (and only men) who have had sex with men in the last 12 months are not allowed to sell blood (no giving there, lol).

However under US, Obama-era (2015), FDA rules your gender identity is self-identified and not subject to question.

So if you have received anal sex every night in the last year with a different bloke off Grindr, but you want to sell blood then you can do so, providing you say you are a woman.

Again it doesn't matter if you ARE a woman, because self-id. In fact 'woman' is literally a meaningless term.

The risky behaviour is receptive anal sex, which has a transmission rate 100x higher than say, vaginal sex, with the result that MSM have a 50% chance of getting HIV in the US.

But if you identify as a woman then that identical behaviour is no longer risky.

So the FDA is happy to give everyone HIV at the altar of self-ID.

Hallelujah!

There is nothing we can't sacrifice to self-ID.

OP posts:
bd67th · 23/09/2018 23:56

The point is that all blood is screened before use. Therefore, you will not get HIV from a trans woman

The blood transfusion service are very insistent that anyone who suspects they may have HIV should not give blood (screencap attached). The implication is that the screening process is not perfect and may return a false negative, so asking people who think they may have HIV not to give blood reduces the risk of false negatives. We know from experiences with the US porn industry that even monthly testing of a entire group of people isn't enough to protect them from contracting HIV because it only needs one person to get infected since their last test by playing outside the group. Couple that with an imperfect screening process and the risks of transmission become very high, hence the lifestyle questions. So please answer them accurately and be honest about male-with-male sex, even if you'd rather be a woman.

Identifying as female to sell blood
LillyoftheCentralValley · 24/09/2018 00:17

This isn't blood, this is plasma:

"The evidence linking female-derived plasma and poor patient outcomes is far more robust [than blood transfusions] and various gender dependent differences have been identified in donated plasma"

From Mortality after red blood cell transfusions from previously pregnant donors: complexities in the interpretation of large data, Journal of Thoracic Medicine

The center being sued doesn't accept transgender people at all. I'm betting high incidence of HIV, and self id vs the need to know sex is why.

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 09:12

Enquiry opens this week:
"Campaigners say it is time to find out the truth about the contaminated blood scandal that left nearly 3,000 people dead, as a public inquiry begins.

The inquiry is looking at how thousands of NHS patients were given blood products infected with hepatitis and HIV during the 1970s and 1980s.

Many say the risks were not explained, in what has been called the worst treatment disaster in NHS history."
www.bbc.com/news/health-45591584

R0wantrees · 08/10/2018 00:19

Canadian complaint re blood donation screening:

'Transgender man upset by blood agency's screening policy which considers him female'
(extract)
"A transgender man is calling for Canadian Blood Services to change its screening policy when dealing with trans donors.

Jack Biamonte donated blood five times over the past year. Two weeks ago he had an embarrassing experience after he revealed his recent hysterectomy surgery to staff.

Staff, unaware Biamonte was a female-to-male transgender individual, asked him if he had genital-reconstruction surgery. When he said no, staff told him he would have to answer questions based on his sex assigned at birth.

"It was just reinforced, 'You were born female; we have to consider you female,' " Biamonte said.

Two questions — "Have you had a pregnancy over the past six months?" and "Have you slept with a male who has slept with a male?" — seemed especially pointless, he said.

But Biamonte will have to respond to those questions every time he gives blood, he said.

Staff were just as uncomfortable as he was, Biamonte said, and he's certain other trans people would feel the same way.

"A lot of people, that's going to really upset them," he said. "That's going to really trigger them." (continues)

The website says donor criteria are "based on the best available scientific evidence" that must be approved by Health Canada, its regulator.

Biamonte only learned of the policy since the screening, which was two weeks ago.

"I feel like if it's better explained people will be more accepting of it," Biamonte said.

But he disagrees that the policy is based on science.

"The screening process needs to change. There needs to be more medically pertinent questions that are based on actual fact and not just general bias."

Biamonte says the experience soured his willingness to give blood, but he'll continue while pressuring Canadian Blood Services to adjust their policy."

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/trans-canadian-blood-services-1.4851296

Danaquestionseverything · 08/10/2018 00:42

Hmmm maybe the medical staff are humouring them. The polite lie, then correctly relabeling/processing or disposal in in the appropriate medical waste receptacle. At least one would hope.

Frankly I’m shocked in a country as large as the US that people are paid to give blood. Learn something new everyday.

BrownPaperTeddy · 08/10/2018 00:52

This is a complex area and self ID is a red herring.

Surely any screening that relies on people telling the truth is a risk?

I can't give blood because I received a transfusion 20 odd years ago before it was screened for variant CJD. What stops me, or anyone else in the same boat, from donating?

Had a tattoo recently, had your ears pierced, injected drugs all of this relies on donor owning up and telling the truth.

How is this risk protected against?

PersonWithAVulva · 08/10/2018 02:36

I thought blood from the opposite sex could be dangerous. So, this is a disaster waiting to happen, more ways than one?

PersonWithAVulva · 08/10/2018 02:41

this is what I was thinking of. I suppose one way to reduce the risk for men from our horrid man killing blood is to allow biological males to donate and tick 'female' in the box

OK< I should have RTFT before posting, bad habit of mine Blush

PersonWithAVulva · 08/10/2018 03:03

I have seen at least one prominent transactivist transwoman bragging about donating blood in the UK and registering it as female, and IIRC, then tweeted about how she'd got a text from the NHS to say it had been used.

Do the NHS text when they use your blood? I didn't know that. Mind its been a while since I gave blood, as I get so many tattoos I am just not eligible often when I actually have enough time these days. I could be a twat and insist on giving blood and just lying, but no. I understand that the restrictions are there for a reason.

Basically, the Venn diagram of Entitled Fuckwittery and Biohazards does not have a fun intersection

Grin
PersonWithAVulva · 08/10/2018 03:08

Staff, unaware Biamonte was a female-to-male transgender individual, asked him if he had genital-reconstruction surgery. When he said no, staff told him he would have to answer questions based on his sex assigned at birth.

Eh..why would genital surgery matter? Regardless of surgical status, this person is female. However much they wish they were male.

Roystonv · 08/10/2018 03:59

Think I have read the whole thread. I know it has been said but we need to shout from the rooftops that many transwomen are not and have no intention of ever undergoing hormone treatment. In the fast moving world of today that is an old fashioned/out of date definition of a transwomen. Please read more about this and start talking to people about it.

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