Mail - "Government probe into why so many girls want to be boys"

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6172097/Investigation-ordered-number-transitioning-referrals-increase-four-cent.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6172097/Investigation-ordered-number-transitioning-referrals-increase-four-cent.html

Good. There needs to be proper research into this. I feel that the answers are fairly obvious though.

Four percent?

Do they mean 400 percent?

Or four fold?

Equalities Minister Penny Mordaunt has ordered officials to discover the reasons why the number of girls being referred for 'transitioning' treatment has increased by 4,415 per cent.

Text says 4400%!

Thank God. Let’s hope the investigation is allowed to, you know, investigate. And report.

Ooh, let me guess. Men are stronger, more independent, braver, more assertive, more inventive, more creative, more emotionally continent (though more violent, hmm) , and - erm - more respected . And better than women at everything .

Who wouldn't want to be like that, when they're putting up with catcalls, put-downs and menstruation?

Gwan: just google 'masculinity' if you don't believe me.

impressionable kids are being told that they can change 'gender' (ie sex) instead of just letting them get on with their lives whether they conform to gender stereotypes or not.

Undiagnosed autism + toxic attitude towards feminity.

Unbearable pressure on what girls need to look like. So much more than even 5-10 years ago.

I wouldn’t get too excited. They’ll probably ask for help from the so called experts, such as Stonewall.

Anecdatum: I was at a busy restaurant the other day where there was a party of twelve young women at a nearby table. It was extraordinary: they all had long hair. All the couples at the other tables were long haired women and bearded men. It was as if everyone had been programmed.

If you think my comment sounds weird then you are probably under 30. There was a time not so long ago when it wasn't only old women who had short hair, and hardly any men had beards.

They’ll probably ask for help from the so called experts, such as Stonewall.

We can hope that light is beginning to dawn that some of these so-called 'experts' they've been consulting thus far may be part of the problem, not the solution.

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Oh that is interesting thought the rise of the beard,symbol of maleness and of long hair in woman......Umm

It's been said many times on this forum but bears repeating that we should resist rather than embrace this increasing 'gender' dimorphism. It's oddly disquieting that Alex Drummond sports a beard when Harnaam Kaur is a truly brave flouter of convention who embraces her biology. Harnaam Kaur is a real woman.

It can't be said often enough that sex ≠ gender. And gender is a crap concept.

As a 13-year-old girl she fell in love with another girl, leading to bullying. Yet it was only at 15 that Alex – now 22 – determined to change sex after being sent to an LGBT group called Over the Rainbow. There, the youngster was given information about how to transition on the NHS.

How is this not conversion therapy?

One of the comments:
My daughters ex wanted a boy. He treats their daughter as if she is a boy. Boys clothes, shoes and toys etc. Left like this she could have issues later in life. She is only 1!

It has been observed by others (evolutionary biologists) that domineering, controlling fathers are often the cause of confusion about sex in young people - the boys are taught they're not macho enough to be a boy and are too feminine, the girls think they should be boys to be acceptable.

Funny

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

Well at least the "no debate" mantra is falling by the wayside. It is clear from all the comments that the average mail reader thinks it is madness, too much pressure to transition too young, socially engineered and the kids are being taught this at school and they wouldn't be wrong.

I hated getting boobs. Hated being leered at on the bus, hated the boys in year 8 'rating' us on our sexiness. Hated periods, which any woman knows always seem to turn up every time I was on holiday or Scout camp. Hated being teased about assumptions about my pubic hair (I am a redhead), hated being told I was dirty for not shaving my legs, hated being frigid for not shagging my boyfriend and slutty when I did. It was rubbish even 15 years ago - it won't have got better.

I have a friend with MH issues who was subject to CSA for years who changed her name and cut everyone out in 6th form. We're back in touch now but it wasn't the fix-all cure she wanted. She was still her, demons and lovely qualities and all. I see a lot of transgenderism as similar, really.

Now a very happy 30 year old whose female biology has done me proud - I've breastfed for 6 years, had 3 lovely girls, have a husband who knows what a clitoris is... I hope the inquiry is genuine and not the disingenuous, biased stuff we've been used to seeing. Agreeing with The Daily bloody Mail and The Spectator - who'dathunkit?!

I'm glad it's being looked at. It's not like these people will ever be accepted as real men, I think they are being set up.

Economist is also running the story.

Like others here - my concern is by whom it is being looked at - who will be advising them, who will they listen to and will the results, if they go against trans ideals, be accepted or blocked as we have seen of research already which goes against the party line.

Good comment about them covering the girls' nipples but not the boys' - despite them being the same person.

Womanformally I'm not sure if there's been any research done into trauma in the childhoods of transgender people, preferably quantitative to compare with those who aren't transgender - after all, lots of people unfortunately have traumatic childhoods and don't have gender dysphoria or wish to change sex. But i am struck those fathers in the interviews etc i have come across. Paris Lees and Sarah Brown both talk/write about theirs: Aimee Challenor hasn't talked about their father but, as a convicted child abuser whose children were at times in care, David Challenor seems unlikely to have been a great dad. The narrative is that they as children were trans and that's why their fathers treated them so badly or they found the sexism/bullying/abuse so awful. Which sounds like a version of internalised self-blame to me. Like there is still a part of them that thinks if they hadn't been trans, they would have been accepted and not abused. Of course, from my perspective it looks as though their childhoods were so bad that they wanted to leave behind the people they were and be someone else - a dissociation/escape survival strategy. But then I'm a sad old cow who is not modern.

Harnaam Kaur is a real woman.

Anecdote: I once saw Kaur washing her hands in the women's lavatories at Euston. I wanted to tell her how much I admired her but thought she might find it a bit creepy.