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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lionel Shriver - It's not transphobic to question transgenderism

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BoreOfWhabylon · 13/09/2018 17:08

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/its-not-transphobic-to-question-transgenderism/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=150918_Weekly_Highlights_37_NONSUBS&utm_campaign=Weekly_Highlights

Thank you, Lionel.

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Starkstaring · 13/09/2018 17:15

Great article - doesn't pull any punches. Thank you Lionel!

HollowTalk · 13/09/2018 17:16

I think The Spectator is our only friend at the moment.

VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 17:28

Lots worth quoting, but this stood out:

In 2009, 41 per cent of referrals to the NHS Gender Identity Development Service were female; in 2017, 69 per cent were female. That’s a huge shift. If the experience of having been ‘born in the wrong body’ is biologically innate, why is a slightly earlier cohort overwhelmingly male, the next overwhelmingly female? The only sensible explanation is social.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/09/2018 17:29

It's an excellent article. Well done Lionel.

CherryValance · 13/09/2018 17:31

But, but, she chose a bloke's name...is she sure she isn't really a man?

BoreOfWhabylon · 13/09/2018 17:39

It reminded me of a conversation I had the other night over a few drinks with a couple of female colleagues. I have never spoken about gender stuff at work (NHS) but the subject came up and they were agog.

We had to keep going 'shhh!' and looking around the bar to see if anyone had overheard us!

I've just forwarded the link to them.

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speakingwoman · 13/09/2018 17:39

updated my Spectator login....

OrchidInTheSun · 13/09/2018 17:50

Go Lionel!

This isn't the first article she's written on trans stuff - she wrote a really good article in the Atlantic iirc a couple of years ago. She's been massively gender critical for years (and has probably been cast out into the wilderness as a result because she certainly doesn't pull her punches).

ScipioAfricanus · 13/09/2018 18:56

Reading the Spectator again for the first time since school. Those of us applying to universities with interviews were advised to have a subscription to help us with topics and debates. Then followed 20 years of reading the Guardian which I can barely bring myself to do anymore. It’s like a breath of fresh air to read actual, logical, common sense. I can’t really believe I feel so out of step with the left.

VickyEadie · 13/09/2018 19:04

Reading the Spectator again for the first time since school. Those of us applying to universities with interviews were advised to have a subscription to help us with topics and debates. Then followed 20 years of reading the Guardian which I can barely bring myself to do anymore. It’s like a breath of fresh air to read actual, logical, common sense. I can’t really believe I feel so out of step with the left.

Yep, me too.

placemats · 13/09/2018 19:09

We absolutely do need to talk about this.

xx Lionel xx

KERALA1 · 13/09/2018 20:00

Right that's it will subscribe to spectator. Dh and I are Lionel's biggest fans

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/09/2018 22:30

Great piece! Thanks Lionel and OP for sharing.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 13/09/2018 22:35

Great piece.

PackingSoap · 14/09/2018 11:14

It's interesting that she mentions dissenters in 1930s Berlin.

Another poster mentions on another thread that the cis prefix is like being told you must refer to yourself as an infidel.

I actually think "heretic" would be a more useful term and illuminates what is actually going on here: a politico/religious ideology that has essentially captured the state and the establishment and seeks to reorder society.

This whole phenomenon is like a modern Inquisition. Maybe it is time we started treating it like one.

Floisme · 14/09/2018 11:38

Thank you Lionel Shriver.
Watch and learn JK Rowling.

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