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Indy: Culture of sexual assault on psychiatric wards

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 11:41

www.independent.co.uk/voices/mental-health-nhs-psychiatric-wards-sexual-abuse-rape-assault-misogyny-a8533931.html
The dark truth about psychiatric wards is that almost all of them have a culture of sexual assault

The idea that people, predominantly girls and women, are too mad, too bad and too sad to be believed has been used to silence people since time immemorial

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 11:43

Last para:
While I was pleased to read some of the recommendations for change proffered in the CQC report, there is also nothing new. Single sex wards? Sexual safety awareness training and so on? We have heard it all before. History shows us that the currents of denial, avoidance and silencing around sexual violence are so powerful that change is only possible by altering the misogynistic, patriarchal culture they sit within. This requires nothing less than a radical rethink in how we conceptualise mental distress.

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arranfan · 12/09/2018 11:45

The idea that people, predominantly girls and women, are too mad, too bad and too sad to be believed has been used to silence people since time immemorial

Who knew that putting men with (typically) low inhibition for some anti-social behaviours in a position where they're adjacent to vulnerable girls and women who are judged to have low social value and whose reports can be discarded might lead to this situation. Angry

VickyEadie · 12/09/2018 12:05

Who knew that putting men with (typically) low inhibition for some anti-social behaviours in a position where they're adjacent to vulnerable girls and women who are judged to have low social value and whose reports can be discarded might lead to this situation.

Indeed. We've also seen (in the context of female prison inmates) more than one example of comments of the 'well, they're criminals' variety.

PerkingFaintly · 12/09/2018 12:14

There was a news report some years ago of staff at a psychiatric hospital using female patients as practice for male patients' social skills, and to test whether the male patients were able to behave round women. This was to be for the benefit of the general public.

The benefit of the female patients didn't come in to it at all.

I'd guess this was approx year 2000, so report may not be easy to find.

MsBeee · 12/09/2018 12:17

Karen White assured women on psychiatric wards. I think I saw that on another thread.

PerkingFaintly · 12/09/2018 12:20

It's a model of women as non-people, as not fully human with rights and needs of their own.

UpstartCrow · 12/09/2018 12:20

Karen white repeatedly raped a woman on a mixed sex ward.

MsBeee · 12/09/2018 12:21

assaulted,

sorry horrible auto correct in my post above

PerkingFaintly · 12/09/2018 12:28

This might be the reporting I'm thinking of, about Broadmoor in 2003:

Broadmoor sexual abuse claims
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2823837.stm
A whistleblower is calling for an independent inquiry into a culture of serious sexual assault at Broadmoor high security hospital.

This report alleges something different from intentional use of female patients by staff. So either I've misremembered or it's a different case or more detail came out later.

bd67th · 12/09/2018 12:31

How to solve this problem completely:

  1. Single SEX wards.
  2. All-female nursing and portering staff for the women's ward.
  3. Male consultants and registrars must be chaperoned AT ALL TIMES by a female HCP when visiting the women's ward.

Really hoping my meds don't stop working on me because I am dreading the possibility of having to go in for a med change.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 12:32

Whats going on with this?

When I first posted the article it had a different title. Its been changed.

I fortunately had the orginal still up on my screen (nipped out and came back and opened again in another window not realising I still had open)

Thats a massive toning down...

Indy: Culture of sexual assault on psychiatric wards
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HotRocker · 12/09/2018 12:54

I was on an all female psychiatric ward. Some of the male members of staff creeped me out massively, especially the weird stalky ward supervisor who kept following me around, asking for the title of a book I’d mentioned. He also told a group of women that a rape was probably someone’s fault, for doing something that invited the man on. Then there was the creepy bloke who took me out for leave one day, and proceeded to flex his muscles and asked me to squeeze them. Then there was the bloke who would unlock my bedroom door without warning when I was inside, once when I was dressing after a shower. Some of the other patients scared the shit out of me as well, but at least they couldn’t rape me, and I’d have a chance against them if they started on me.
I have never, never, felt so powerless and vulnerable as I did on that ward.

terryleather · 12/09/2018 12:59

HotRocker Thanks

Viago · 12/09/2018 13:15

Hot Flowers

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 13:18

www.cqc.org.uk/sites/default/files/20180911c_sexualsafetymh_report.pdf

Here is the CQC report that the article refers to.

Here's some snippets which have a lot going on in them:

2.Clinical leaders of mental health services do not always know what is good practice in promoting the sexual safety of people using the service and of their staff

Clinical leaders may be uncertain about the behaviours that are acceptable on mental health wards and those that are not. Also, they may not always be aware of the impact that unwanted sexual behaviour has on patients and staff, and the impact that potential false allegations have on staff and people who use services. Clinical leaders’ opinions and approach to these difficult issues vary and may be affected by their personal values. This, and the absence of clear guidance or set of expectations, makes it challenging for staff to manage sexual incidents on mental health wards.

Clinical leaders may have a particular problem in deciding how staff should respond to what appears to be consensual sexual activity between patients. Those involved in the consultation told us how difficult it can be to balance their duty to protect people whose capacity to make decisions might be temporarily impaired, with their wish to respect patients’ right to a private life. This is likely to be a particular challenge on longer-stay wards.

Er ok. How might we reduce the possibility of sexual relationship forming in the first place?

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3.Many staff do not have the skills to promote sexual safety or to respond appropriately to incidents

Although mental health staff wish to keep patients safe, in the absence of clear guidance from leaders they often feel ill-equipped to manage sexual safety incidents. This includes occasions when staff are themselves subject to sexual assault, abuse or harassment or have allegations made against them (including false allegations, by people who use mental health services).

Staff told us that they sometimes feel ‘paralysed’ and unable to act when a sexual incident occurs. Some staff do not know how to respond to these, or to disclosures from people who use mental health services, and may not always address them promptly and appropriately. This includes the question of determining whether patients have the mental capacity to decide to engage in sexual activity.

There is a pressing need for better staff development on these important issues. This development should be co-produced and must equip staff to:

•Develop the skills and confidence to have conversations with patients and with colleagues about the sexual health and sexual safety of patients, using appropriate language to support patients to feel comfortable talking about their experiences.
• Make a full assessment of patients that includes historical details about their sexual safety (both in terms of vulnerability and potential to display sexual behaviour that puts others at risk). This will enable them to sensitively identify potential risks and plan the person’s care.

• Understand the principles of trauma-informed care and embed these into every day practice.
• Respond to the needs of people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or non-binary or who are transgender.
• Ensure that staff are supported when faced with allegations of a sexual nature.
• Consider the difficult issues of mental capacity and consent with the involvements of the full multidisciplinary team working on the ward
•Identify a person who has particular expertise in this area who can lead this work on behalf of the provider. The lead would help to develop this work locally and could act as a valuable source of advice to staff throughout the organisation.

Why are we even discussing this in 2018? They DON'T do risk assessments for all patients as a matter of course??? Like WTF?

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4. The ward environment does not always promote the sexual safety of people using the service

Most people admitted to hospital cannot choose their ward, or whether it is a same-sex or mixed-sex ward. For the great majority of NRLS reports, we could not tell whether the incident happened on a same-sex or a mixed-sex ward. However, we do know that in two thirds of cases where the report indicated that a female was the person affected, a man was alleged to be the person who carried out the incident. We know from our inspection programme that, on mixed- sex wards, it is often difficult to ensure that gender separation is maintained effectively and to ensure that patients cannot access bedroom areas intended for those of the opposite sex. The data also shows that a significant number of the incidents occur in communal areas.

Those we consulted with agreed that dormitory accommodation, or other arrangements where bedrooms are shared (by patients of the same sex), are unacceptable and do not offer privacy or dignity.

Significant investment would be needed to change all inpatient provision to single-sex wards and remove all shared rooms. It might also reduce flexibility of overall bed provision, meaning that more people would be admitted to wards a long way from their home areas which can also lead to increased clinical risk. Also, those we consulted with told us that it is harder to recruit staff to work on single-sex wards.

The diversity on a mental health ward reflects the diversity of the country. It is important that the ward environment meets the needs of everyone – and does not make predetermined gender-based assumptions. This may be particularly important for those people who identify as LGBT+.

Healthcare professionals and representatives of arms-length bodies that we consulted with agreed that CQC should not simply recommend that all mental health wards become single-sex.

As well as the cost and potential impact on out-of-area placements, this would not affect the significant proportion of incidents that involve people of the same gender or a staff member as the person who was affected by the unwanted behaviour.

However, we believe that where a patient has a history of sexual abuse or exploitation a clear care plan must be put in place and, where it is in the person’s interests and/or they express a preference, they should be cared for in a single-sex ward.

For wards that admit both men and women, the arrangements to keep the sleeping and bathroom areas apart must work in practice and communal areas should be closely supervised. Those we consulted with told us of examples where door security was not working properly and patients could move freely between different areas of the ward. CQC has encountered similar situations on inspections of mixed-sex wards.

So despite 2/3 of incidents against women being by men, and a suggestion of underreporting we aren't going to recommend single sex wards....

...after all, the well being of women is not worth the cost.

Question: If you knew your chances of a sexual assault would immediately be reduced by 2/3 by being on a women's only ward, would you prefer to be on a women's only ward???

Who writes and justifies this shit?

5. Staff may under-report incidents and reports may not reflect the true impact on the person who is affected

From our engagement work, we heard that staff and patients find it difficult to speak up when they observe, or are the person affected by, unwanted sexual behaviour. We were told that staff may become ‘desensitised’ to the issue because sexual incidents happen regularly, particularly on acute wards. This may discourage staff from reporting incidents.

This lack of encouragement may be made worse when staff struggle to find the time to report incidents when wards are very busy. This means that the actual number of such incidents may be higher than suggested by our findings.

Staff are not trained to deal with this. We already established this. Who is more likely to under report?

6.Joint-working with other agencies such as the police does not always work well in practice

The decision to charge a person detained in inpatient mental health services with a criminal offence is a sensitive matter. It requires close cooperation between police investigators, healthcare professionals and Crown prosecutors. There are examples across the country of successful partnerships between mental health providers and police services where officers are posted as liaison officers or investigators to handle reports of people who use services offending in the hospital (see case study on Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust, page 21).

Nothing to see here. Apart from an implied admission that they placing hugely unsuitable criminals in the company of very vulnerable people - and are fully aware that the system is fatally flawed in terms of communication of basic facts.

As I say, lots going on here which is terrifying.

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gamerchick · 12/09/2018 13:26

The hospital I visit regularly seems to have bypassed this thankfully. Wards are by biological sex. However these are female wards with transmen who are called by their preferred pronouns. There are no penisis in them patient wise. The male staff are brilliant and a quick chat to one of the supervising staff during a visit they had no clue what I was talking about. Sex of a person is pretty cut and dried.

I'm hoping it stays like that, these are volitile wards that need careful handling. There would be staffing issues if they were to mix them up.

HotRocker · 12/09/2018 13:34

I wonder if they were advised by Stonewall?
And what’s this shit about same gender incidence when talking about single sex wards? Males are bigger and stronger and have penises that they can use to rape and impregnate, females are in general smaller and weaker and don’t have penises. This disingenuous women do it too bollocks makes me want to scream.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2018 13:46

I should clarify the figures given here:

66% of assaults on women by men. 16% by women on women. 18% by unknown on women.

(It doesn't give a definition of women as being by sex or gender either).

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HotRocker · 12/09/2018 13:46

And yeah we know it happens. I knew two women who were getting a bit friendly on the ward. Consensual at the time according to both of them, but later one said the other had taken advantage. I don’t know what went on because I wasn’t there, but neither ended up raped or pregnant, in fact it was the taller, stronger, younger woman who said she been taken advantage of. It could’ve been very different if one of them had been a man.
Of course it’s awful, if one woman took advantage of the other, and I’m by no means condoning it, but yeah, we know it happens, it’s almost impossible to stop it from happening completely, but that’s where risk assessments come in. To just say oh well it happens anyway we won’t bother to mitigate risk is fucking disgraceful.

CesiraAndEnrico · 12/09/2018 21:27

One of the hardest things I ever had to do was repeatedly leave a very mentally unwell (now late) MIL locked up in a ward that featured aggressive and sexually aggressive men.

The last time she was admitted we came to visit and found her topless in the patients lounge. Surrounded by five men. Three of whom had hands down trousers.The nurses hadn't noticed. They were too busy.

It was worse than the time I walked in to visit on another unit to find a young man writing on her arms with a permanent marker pen.

She couldn't defend herself. We weren't allowed to stay to defend her. At home she was danger to herself and us.

It was like a Catch 22 on acid. Too many rocks and hard places to count.

FloralBunting · 12/09/2018 21:56

I've mentioned my own situation before, and I took a deep breath before opening this. Flowers for HotRocker for a start.

I have been in psychiatric wards, on and off, from the age of 17. I have a very painful memory of being on medication, and being terrified as my eventual rapist stood at the door of the room I shared with another female, openly masturbating. He would follow me around the ward and the staff and other patients would say how sweet it was that I had a boyfriend. I was exclusively same-sex attracted and 17 at the time and frightened, locked away in a hospital ward surrounded by very poorly people. I couldn't find a space to get away from his attention. When he eventually attacked me, I was paralyzed with fear and horror. I've blamed myself for years because I was trying to wriggle out from under him, he put his hand over my throat and told me to stop moving and I did. When he'd finished I still didn't see any staff for ages. Not until dinner time I think. And he still followed me around. I was very tearful and my distress was medicated further.

I have been on different wards over the intervening years and nothing appears to have substantially changed. Sometimes you get very good staff members who are wise to certain things, often you get staff who don't have the first clue. The last time I was in, a few years ago now, I wanted to stay in my room because I didn't want to be in the open areas with men, and the staff insisted I come into the mixed areas because it was easier for them to sit and chat to each other if everyone was in the same area, and I had to sit with this one guy staring at me the whole evening.

Is it any wonder I so successfully internalised the message that women are just not really important? These things just aren't important to the PTB. However shocking they are to decent people.

CesiraAndEnrico · 12/09/2018 22:17

Is it any wonder I so successfully internalised the message that women are just not really important?.

No love it's not. When you see the women least able to defend themselves, be it due to pharmaceutical cosh or their illness, required to mop up vastly increased risk due to staff shortage, staff cluelessness, or staff "can't be arse-itus"... it's hard not to conclude women's safety, wellbeing and dignity, are something very many people are prepared to gamble with.

I'm so very sorry you were turned into a chip by TPTB, and paid the price for other people's priorities being deeply off kilter.

ILuvBirdsEye · 12/09/2018 22:36

And of course self id (open gates for pervy men) is all fine and dandy. No risk to women and girls AT ALL. Angry

arranfan · 12/09/2018 22:42

FloralBunting wrote: Is it any wonder I so successfully internalised the message that women are just not really important? These things just aren't important to the PTB. However shocking they are to decent people.

I'm so sorry for your experience, and that of all the girls and women in similarly vulnerable circumstances whose trauma has been minimised in a life-altering way.

LastOneDancing · 12/09/2018 22:53

Flowers FloralBunting

I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

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