Half of all 'male' transgender prisoners are sex offenders

[iamawoman]

If the above is true, shouldn't we be asking why such a small minority have a high proportion of sex offenders amongst their cohort. Where are the voices of the psychologists and psychiatrists who should have involved in these people's care at some point?. Isn't it becoming more evident by the day that transgenderism is becoming a cloak of protection for all types predatory men, who dressing up as women is just part of their sexual deviancy. Edward Lord and his cronies want an end to sex based protections - you really have to wonder why ?

It's a legitimate question. I don't know what the answer is. But you'd think that more research would be worthwhile before the sex-based protections of half the population are jetisoned.

Good question.

We also need stats to continue to be recorded on sex as well as gender identity so evidence that would help us scrutinise this doesn't just disappear.

The question has been asked countless times. At the moment those holding power in the media, the government, in academia, in various social systems, etc believe they have far more to lose than to gain by engaging with the question.

This isn't true because one day there'll be a scandal and they'll have to make up excuses of why they turned a blind eye.

This isn't the same as Savile, or Rotherham, or any of the other scandals, but the deliberate institutional blindness is the much the same.

Where are the voices of the psychologists and psychiatrists who should have involved in these people's care at some point?

Behind the now rather leaky dam.

I'd imagine in private they discuss between themselves. And I do expect some high quality expert "loose or official" groups to have made hard hitting submissions to the consultation. Which should carry a lot more weight than thousands of "emote emote emote lipstick rights emote emote emote do what I want or I'll kill myself emote emote emote" submissions.

I think the dam will finally break whichever way the consultation goes.

Unless the 3rd possibility happens, and it gets shunted towards the end of this gov's lifespan, fails to get through the wash up period, and just sits there like an unloved toad. Hanging over all our heads for another five years. Waiting to see if the bomb drops or not.

But I think there is an outside chance of that, cos the TRAs will throw the mother of all fits if it doesn't go through one way or another, and that in itself is more dynamite loaded against the dam of social/employment sanction keeping so many people so quiet.

I think Lisa Muggeridge is right, we've won, cos they lost the plot. But we are still till in the final throes, despite a foregone conclusion.

This time anyway. I don't expect them, or more specifically the people behind them, to go away. This has happened before and each time they gain far more ground than they should have done. So they'll either regroup with more (manufactured if necessary) stable TRA talking heads and cannon fodder. Or they'll pick on a new group to use as their front and battering ram.

At most I think we have 10 years of breathing space. And that is probably optimistic.

But you'd think that more research would be worthwhile before the sex-based protections of half the population are jetisoned.

Who's going to fund it? That's what it gets right down to in the end. The trans lobby has big money behind it and the potential to deliver a vast return in pharmaceuticals. Women's health/social research lags behind at every turn; funding for prison reform is minimal at best. I can see two easy studies you could do - a compare-and -contrast of trans sex offenders psych history vs men's; and potentially a genetic or brain imaging study. But what uni would sponsor that, in the current atmosphere? Where would the profit be for a private company?

shouldn't we be asking why such a small minority have a high proportion of sex offenders amongst their cohort

But if anybody was actually being honest, we already know the answers.

Males with multiple paraphilias are orders of magnitude more likely to be sex offenders. Stonewall decided to include crossdressing, one of the most common paraphilias in sex offenders, under the trans umbrella, thus placing them on an equal trans status and footing with dysphoric transsexuals.

How anybody could have thought the consequences would be other than they are defies belief.

I can imagine why many people seek treatment in the private sector for gender transition. The NHS is slow, waiting lists are long, but will no doubt pick up on co-morbid psychological difficulties, have access to patient records and may not recommend hormones/surgery or agree with a self-diagnosis.

Go to the private sector and the bigger picture can be ignored.

There was blog mentioned in a post yesterday by Sarah Ditum, where she pointed out that this statistic means one of two things. Either there is a high correlation between being transgender and being a sex offender, or the current trend of self I.d. is allowing sex offenders to falsely identify as trans in order to access vulnerable females. The TRAs need to pick which of these explanations they prefer. And then explain why we are still wrong when we say that self id is a risk to women. It’s an amazing blog, which everyone should read.

Study on multiple paraphilias among sex offenders helpfully transcribed by FPW so not behind an academic paywall:

fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/153.full_.pdf

The process to be categorised as trans is very lengthy and involves vigorous psychological assessment and testing. I doubt these offenders are capable of 'faking' their gender identity. It's probably more media creating moral panic by using a small minority of the wider trans community as folk devils.

But if anybody was actually being honest, we already know the answers.

Yes.

The process to be categorised as trans is very lengthy and involves vigorous psychological assessment and testing.

Not true. At all.

Also hasn't the British association of psychology actually identified some male sex offenders having used the tactic of identifying as women to either reduce the risk of themselves coming to harm in a male prison or to actively seek access to women in a female prison. Personally I feel it is probably a combination of both factors at present, that is, pretending to be trans and having multi paraphillias or fetishes that put you in a category of likely to carry out a sexual offence. However if self id goes through the former category could massively increase.

Don’t you mean half of all “female” transgender prisoners are sex offenders? It’s an important distinction.

They're not female and never will be.

Agree that you don't need quote marks around "male".

Surely the logical interpretation of self-ID is that there is no such thing as a person pretending to be trans. If they say they are trans, they just are. Therefore the trans lobby cannot disown the likes of Karen White, they all come under the Stonewall umbrella.

AltogetherAndrews

Agree, Sarah Ditum made that point very well.

I think E& W may be moving in right direction. I am scared for Scotland though as the government likes to be seen as more 'progressive' and is further down the line. Also, while I imagine that plenty of SNP MSPs have private doubts, they rarely go against party line. So if the government decides this is the policy it'll be hard to stop.

Just emphasising that it I don't think there are any female sexed living as male in those stats

Ereshkigal
I'm currently doing my clinical psychology doctorate and yes it is.

DC06, how does that square with this? Is psychology considered a medical intervention?

The key shift in policy is that, in the majority of cases, the prison service will try to accommodate prisoners in the gender with which they identify, even if they are not seeking medical interventions or GRCs:

Pg 8 on the downloadable report at the bottom of the page.
researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7420

Personally I think the high % is because male sex offenders have got nothing to lose and everything to gain by declaring themselves trans.

*DC06 It is definitely true that the process of getting a GRC is currently lengthy and complicated - IIRC minimum two years, usually longer?

However, there are a lot of situations where someone can be counted as or treated as trans without a GRC. The Stonewall definition doesn't require a GRC, just occasional cross dressing fits under the Stonewall definition.
The prison service almost always puts trans women with a GRC in women's prisons. However, the prison service also has a process for putting trans women without a GRC in women's prisons in some circumstances. The recent 'Karen Smith' case, where a trans person with a long record of violence against women and sexual violence was put in a women's prison, and almost immediately sexually assaulted four women, suggests that the current Prison Service process is nowhere near rigorous enough. Sex offenders are highly motivated to lie.

There was blog mentioned in a post yesterday by Sarah Ditum, where she pointed out that this statistic means one of two things. Either there is a high correlation between being transgender and being a sex offender, or the current trend of self I.d. is allowing sex offenders to falsely identify as trans in order to access vulnerable females.

Perhaps both are true. Paraphilias do tend to cluster and sex offenders do go to great lengths to access victims.