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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

California allowing self id

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MonotonousSeagull · 10/09/2018 19:48

With a whole second law just to allow the same for prisoners. I wonder what could possibly go wrong?

I mean, everything I know about Cali jails, I’ve learned from Hollywood, but I can see why someone might want to opt out of a men’s one.

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MonotonousSeagull · 10/09/2018 19:55

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deepwatersolo · 10/09/2018 20:18

This says that you can more easily change your gender now. But are prisons sex- or gender-segregated in Cali?

MonotonousSeagull · 10/09/2018 20:26

Ah, good point. Don’t actually know.

I just saw someone mention on Twitter that they have separate facilities for trans people.

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deepwatersolo · 10/09/2018 20:53

Ah ok, prisons for trans-people could avoid that issue. We'll see how this will play out, I guess...

Materialist · 10/09/2018 21:11

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deepwatersolo · 10/09/2018 21:55

Materialist Thank you for clearing that up!
Going off on a tangent here, but: 1 in 12 men raped in prison sounds horrific! I get what you are saying regarding women having higher rates (1 in 6 you say over a life time? Also huge.). But think about it. What is the average time men in prison do? If that is, say, 5 years, then a male prisoner has a 1:11 chance to be raped within 5 years!?! And chances for males who are not in a gang will be dramatically higher as the others are better protected. And to think that this is possible under explicit state protection? I mean...

MonotonousSeagull · 10/09/2018 22:08

Thanks Materialist. Really interesting.

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deepwatersolo · 11/09/2018 11:28

I actually loved living in the US (Bay Area) for some time. Still longing for that time... friendly people, great Nature...
But I sure as hell would not want to get sucked into legal system. Without loads of money you are f*ed. I believe Chris Hedges said many plead guilty without being guilty, because otherwise you might go to prison for a long time, and many won't risk it (particularly without an expensive private lawyer).

I am an ardent feminist. I also have a son (still young), so this topic of male on male concerns me, too. (Even though, clearly, women are more often victims of sexual violence and males almost always the perpetrators). I have sometimes wondered, whether toxic masculinity may be a result of males never ever wanting to be the victims of sexual violence (I'm not a sociologist, though), and therefore posing as the ubermale/potential threat to other males. I feel, if we could get a grip on male violence against males (not 'only females'), too, that would make a better world for women, too.
(I once read an article of male rape victims of war in Africa with life long health issues not daring to confess to anyone, because it is such a taboo. Can't be good for their families and society as a whole.)

That was probably the mother of all tangents, now.

deepwatersolo · 11/09/2018 11:30

That women get the rough end of the deal, regardless, is clear. For, they often get executed for having been raped and they often can't even hide the rape, if they get pregnant from it (and abortion is mostly inaccessible). No doubt that is way worse, due to patriarchal society's penalties for women.

I am just wondering why many men are so uninterested in the circumstances females face. And one explanation could be that they feel the pressure themselves (the bigger guy or gang will beat me up / rape me, unless I am even more brutal...) that they (apparently being incapable to reflect) somehow feel that, well, given women don't strike back, it is 'natural' they're at the bottom of the hacking order and fair game. Doesn't mean I find that acceptable. At all. Just trying to make sense of the world and hoping I can help my son navigate those waters and turning out all right, as a caring man who can stand up to that sh*t.

TerfsUp · 11/09/2018 13:19

  • actually loved living in the US (Bay Area) for some time. Still longing for that time... friendly people, great Nature... But I sure as hell would not want to get sucked into legal system. Without loads of money you are fed. I believe Chris Hedges said many plead guilty without being guilty, because otherwise you might go to prison for a long time, and many won't risk it (particularly without an expensive private lawyer).

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This is just about word-for-word a copy of a post from another thread.

deepwatersolo · 11/09/2018 14:02

This is just about word-for-word a copy of a post from another thread.

Yeah, because I reposted it, where it belonged (Californian prisons and self-ID) after realizing I had misplaced it here and apologized for it. I wanted to answer the US poster, with whom I had a dialogue, and she would probably not have found it on this thread.

deepwatersolo · 11/09/2018 14:03

misplaced it on the other thread, I mean. I explicitly apologized to you for it (because you had answered to it), TerfsUp

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