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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cambridge University Women's Liberation Campaign 'Feminist Dictionary'

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Spartacus002244 · 10/09/2018 08:33

Cambridge University has a women's liberation campaign! What a wonderful idea. Except that it is for anyone who 'self-identifies' as a woman or non-binary person, which makes me wonder exactly what they think women need liberation from. www.cusu.co.uk/about/liberation-campaigns/the-womens-campaign/

Fortunately for us newcomers to Cambridge, the campaign website offers a handy 'feminist dictionary' so that we understand what they mean. Unfortunately, in parts this dictionary is as feminist as the Ministry of Love is loving. I'll provide some highlights. (MNHQ, I know I'm using banned terms in quotation, which I think is allowed - if not, I'd really appreciate if you could just remove those parts of my OP and let the post stand).

I think my personal favourite part is where they accuse GC feminists of 'redefining' feminism to be about liberating women from oppression, when they are ostensibly supposed to be the women's liberation campaign. I despair. That or biological sex somehow being 'colonialist' as if people outside the Western world didn't know how reproduction worked.

Here's the dictionary: docs.google.com/document/d/1z-K1QffTp4L1LIynp880Gl_YLoDf2JwlbhBZEiwdSBQ/edit which is publicly available. Note that they didn't have a go at defining 'woman'. Or 'feminism' for that matter. Everything below this point is their words, not mine.

SELF-IDENTIFICATION: The process by which you inform the world of what you consider yourself to be. To say, ‘I am a woman’ is to self-identify, as is, ‘I was assigned a female gender at birth but I identify as a man’, or ‘I was assigned a female gender at birth and I identify as a woman.’ [Cis people self-identify no less than trans people.]

AFAB/DFAB or AMAB/DMAB: Assigned/Designated Female At Birth or Assigned/Designated Male At Birth. Refers to sex/gender assigned at birth - in most places (including the UK) this is either Male or Female. Some individuals, especially within the trans community, prefer to use CAMAB/CAFAB, including the word Coercively to emphasise that their gender assignment at birth was done without their consent.

SEX: The term "sex" has a complicated history. Its origins are in trying to tie together colonial ideas about binary gender and biological dimorphism observed in humans and in nature. It is still often used to attempt to categorise people as either male or female based on their gendered physical traits (like breasts, facial hair, estrogen/testosterone level, whether they have a Y chromosome, etc...). Whilst some trans advocates encourage this usage in order to distinguish between the psychological and physical aspects of gender, others are critical of it as it this distinction can be used to grant legitimacy to Sex Assigned At Birth (SAAB) over people's gender. Sex-terminology (male or female) is also sometimes used synonymously with gender-terminology (man or woman). When describing anyone apart from yourself you should consider sex-terminology to be gendered. i.e. never describe a trans woman as male or a trans man as female unless they have specified that this is okay for you to do.

SWERF: stands for Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist. This group opposes women's participation in pornography and prostitution. The term was coined to match that of TERF, as their memberships overlap. Their ideology also overlaps as both subgroups follow a prescriptive, normative approach to feminism; i.e., telling women what to do — TERFs with their gender, and SWERFs with their sexuality. SWERFs object to the objectification and exploitation of women within pornography and the sex industry, as well as the violence and abuse that sex workers frequently suffer. But they often go overboard and pour hatred over sex-workers who choose their profession freely, as opposed to because of human trafficking. This kind of bullying and oppression is known as whorephobia.

T(W)ERF: stands for Trans (Women) Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Transphobic radfems seem to almost universally reject the concept of cisgender privilege, and even the term ‘cisgender’ itself, as somehow demeaning to ‘women born women’ (another controversial term in LGBTQ+ circles). In other words, TERFs go so far as to reject any terminology models (for words such as ‘woman’ or ‘man’) that are not based on biological organs, gametes, or chromosomes. Thus (re)defining their own movement as that ‘of women to liberate women from oppression, and that female biological reality is a defining aspect of women's experience of oppression.’ There is often an inability to recognise intersectionality, which, along with the prejudice against trans women, makes them incompatible with the majority of feminist circles.

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Manderleyagain · 10/09/2018 17:32

As others have pointed out its by the students union. It seems to be the student bodies as much as (more than?) the universities which are insisting that everyone adhere to this one specific ideological view point. They do the no platforming etc. If it had been produced by an academic department I hope it would have been more informed on the history of feminism - 'redefining' the movement to be about a class oppressed on the basis of their sex - yikes! But that might be wishful thinking.

Manderleyagain · 10/09/2018 17:37

They are very wrong about the 'origins' of the concept 'sex'. They needed to run this past a historian.
Errol - do engineers write essays on their profession?

terryleather · 10/09/2018 17:40

Looks like more over privileged woke young 'uns farting out PoMo/Queer Theory right think for the benefit of the rest of us...please goddess make it stop!!!!!

AssassinatedBeauty · 10/09/2018 17:42

FGS, what is the "long history" of radical feminists advocating violence against transgender people?! Is there even one example of this?

HotRocker · 10/09/2018 17:46

Well I’d like to say that that’s the biggest pile of garbage I’ve read in my whole life, but I’ve read an awful lot of piles of garbage lately, so I can’t. Sorry Cambridge, must try harder.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/09/2018 18:16

Errol - do engineers write essays on their profession?
It's been known under duress.Grin

bd67th · 10/09/2018 19:09

Thus (re)defining their own movement as that ‘of women to liberate women from oppression, and that female biological reality is a defining aspect of women's experience of oppression.’

Yes, this definition is correct, and it's how feminists defined feminism ever since before the Abortion Act 1967. This is why we started the DV shelters and rape victim hotlines: because we recognise that female biology is weaponised against us by men who use their greater physical strength and penises to subjugate us. We haven't redefined feminism, it's always been like that, CUSU are the ones trying to redefine it.

Oxbridge students are overwhelmingly very privileged, there are very few working class students there. Bullshit like this is reflective of their lack of actual oppression.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 10/09/2018 19:35

"ou recognise that there is still work to be done to achieve true equity and justice for women, transfeminine and non-binary people."

They are working hard to get things redefined so that

the axis of oppression is femininity >> in how you present yourself generally
however, women (cunty) are privileged
therefore only chaps who are feminine are actually oppressed and feminism needs to be all about them

the idea that male / female / dick / cunt / babies is "colonial" is hilarious

even fucking hamsters know what's what when it comes to that Grin

NothingOnTellyAgain · 10/09/2018 19:36

The idea that no-one knew about male / female / sex / babies until the white colonists came is simply bizarre.

And nuttily racist but I guess they havent' thought of that?

FanWithoutAGuard · 10/09/2018 20:00

[Cis people self-identify no less than trans people.]

How very tricky of them to start saying that...

Thus (re)defining their own movement as that ‘of women to liberate women from oppression, and that female biological reality is a defining aspect of women's experience of oppression.’

Well, er. apart from the (re) - yes, yes that is exactly what feminism is, and why it's necessary...

FanWithoutAGuard · 10/09/2018 20:02

therefore only chaps who are feminine are actually oppressed and feminism needs to be all about them

If it wasn't so fucking dangerous and awful, then it would actually be quite fun logic - like the monty hall problem, or that one where you give someone change and they end up owing you a tenner.

GulagMilkMonitor · 11/09/2018 08:35

which makes me wonder exactly what they think women need liberation from

Those weeks that ASOS doesn’t have a sale on dresses?

KeneftYakimoski · 11/09/2018 08:42

Meanwhile in the engineering department students can still write essays on 'women in engineering'

And get a decent job afterwards, too.

Q: What did the gender theory graduate say to the engineer?

A: "Would you like fries with that?"

Bullshit like this is reflective of their lack of actual oppression.

They desperately want to be oppressed, because it's noble and shit. A few years ago white boys who wanted to be edgy were dressing like they had arrived from Gaza, not Guildford. Now they're wearing ill-fitting dresses. Same basic idea: how do you get a rise out of your parents, when your parents smoke dope and don't mind you bringing your boy or girlfriend home?

ChattyLion · 11/09/2018 09:16

Is it a campaign to free women and children from being allowed any kind of personal boundary?
To free authorities from providing any kind of safeguarding or sex-specific service provision?
To free women from being able to legally remedy sex- based inequalities?
To free lesbians from choosing only to have sex with other women?
To free people who believe in this dogma to legally force a misogynistic authoritarian agenda and the promotion of stereotyped gender roles on to everyone else... including children?
Or all of the above? Sad

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 11/09/2018 09:34

A few years ago white boys who wanted to be edgy were dressing like they had arrived from Gaza, not Guildford

The cultural appropriation of the black and white Arab scarf.

Every middle class student had one, to show how oppressed they were.

The ones that had M&S labels that mummy bought for them before they left home were always the better quality ones.

Now they just take some of mummy's dresses with them.

Cambridge University Women's Liberation Campaign 'Feminist Dictionary'
ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 11/09/2018 09:34

Wrong pic lol...

Cambridge University Women's Liberation Campaign 'Feminist Dictionary'
ErrolTheDragon · 11/09/2018 13:10

the idea that male / female / dick / cunt / babies is "colonial" is hilarious

Maybe it's a 'missionary position' thing?ConfusedGrin

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/09/2018 13:36

"Is it a campaign to free women and children from being allowed any kind of personal boundary?
To free authorities from providing any kind of safeguarding or sex-specific service provision?
To free women from being able to legally remedy sex- based inequalities?
To free lesbians from choosing only to have sex with other women?
To free people who believe in this dogma to legally force a misogynistic authoritarian agenda and the promotion of stereotyped gender roles on to everyone else... including children?
Or all of the above?"

Yes -
Good post on it the other day, it's not my area.
It's about "queering" any and all boundaries.
Mainly related to se for some reason.
See also intergenerational sexualities being the most oppressed sexuality of all.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/09/2018 13:39

sex
not se

Noqont · 11/09/2018 13:44

Crikey is the the educational level of Cambridge students these days? They are scraping the bottom of the barrel that's for sure.

deepwatersolo · 11/09/2018 14:16

Its origins are in trying to tie together colonial ideas about binary gender and biological dimorphism observed in humans and in nature. It is still often used to attempt to categorise people as either male or female based on their gendered physical traits (like breasts, facial hair, estrogen/testosterone level, whether they have a Y chromosome, etc...). Whilst some trans advocates encourage this usage in order to distinguish between the psychological and physical aspects of gender, others are critical of it as it this distinction can be used to grant legitimacy to Sex Assigned At Birth (SAAB) over people's gender.

This is the same argument made by the transwoman at the WEP (thread: The transwoman voice at the Women's Equality Party Conference- putting women in their place).

Basically, they concede that this whole 'sex is unknowable without karyotyping and a spectrum and in the brain and essentialist and...' is a stick, in order to ban sex from discourse and make any distinction regading rights based on sex impossible.

I'll wager a bet and say that this is not sustainable, unless society goes full totalitarian and coerces people to go along.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/09/2018 14:28

"binary gender"
is fucking nonsense as there are probabyl only about 3 people in the shole world who happily fit all aspects of prescribed gender role in their society

"biological dimorphism" is how mammals reproduce so why they have decided it's in the same bracket as feels in your head / personality is beyond me

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/09/2018 14:28

and it's sexual dimporphism surely

dick + cunt = babies

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/09/2018 14:30

"gendered physical traits (like breasts, facial hair, estrogen/testosterone level, whether they have a Y chromosome, etc."

These are primary / secondary sex characteristics.

They are not "gendered" >> that means assigning a "gender" to something which has no reason to be so.
eg blue is for boys pink is for girls.

I think they are saying it's totes old fashioned to say males have cocks and females have cunts.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/09/2018 15:02

There is a long history of TERFS excluding those assigned male at birth from the feminist movement, advocating violence against them and denying their womanhood.

Working on the basis that by TERF they mean radical feminist*, feminism excludes males because it's a movement for the liberation of females, and it's nature that denies TW their 'womanhood'. Femininity, however, is open to all.

But "long history of... advocating violence against them"? That's an outright lie. Has this ever happened? Sounds like classic DARVO. I've seen a shedload of violent threats against women from TRAs. Not the other way around.

*Of course many of those who reject TRA ideology may not class themselves as feminists of any kind. Both my brothers would fall into that category.