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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Times - Trans person seeks to rewrite their criminal history on basis of 'privacy'

100 replies

Wanderabout · 09/09/2018 08:52

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-offender-seeks-to-wipe-crimes-as-aman-from-record-qfk5w68lb?shareToken=9224a3234cfb01ef11ba3d794f7c7942

Represented by Claire McCann.

If successful this could also apply to sexual offences such as rapes.

Implications of this plus self-ID for women's safety are hugely disturbing.

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Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 10:38

Oldcrone

I guess they think NO ONE should be ever allowed to know. It's ridiculous as most of these males are probably pretty obviously male.

Floisme · 09/09/2018 10:39

I think we can take it that Claire McCann knows exactly what she’s doing.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 09/09/2018 10:47

Too woke for her own good, or the good of most women.

MrsBertBibby · 09/09/2018 10:51

M&s McCann is a barrister doing her job, FFS.

MrsBertBibby · 09/09/2018 10:52

Ms. Also FFS.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 09/09/2018 10:52

Beachcomber i totally agree with your carefully worded post at 09:29.

Floisme · 09/09/2018 10:55

True but a few minutes on google and Twitter seems to suggest she is very invested in representing the interests of transwomen. I assume WEP were fully aware of this when they invited her to speak.

IfNotNowThenWhen1 · 09/09/2018 10:56

This should really be posted in AIBU or Chat. It's huge and has very far reaching implications.

Incidentally wtf is with "birth gender" all the way through the article? Birth sex!
Also, sorry, but "outed" as trans? It's unlikely anyone doesn't realise! Like someone will find out about his past male crimes and go "shit, I really thought you were a laydee" Hmm
This is definitely trying to set a VERY dangerous precedent. But why?

Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 10:56

They did. It's seen by transactivists as a UKTELI panel. Not a neutral one.

Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 10:57

This is definitely trying to set a VERY dangerous precedent. But why?

There's a question.

StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2018 10:58

They're tying themselves in knots though aren't they? We keep being told that women have have penises, so what exactly is the problem? When will someone in a very senior position stand up and say enough of this madness?

StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2018 10:59

I don't agree with birthh sex. It's just sex surely.

Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 11:04

They're tying themselves in knots though aren't they? We keep being told that women have have penises, so what exactly is the problem?

Id guess this person has probably physically transitioned. But I agree it's strategic litigation so that the GRA changes will open this up to many more.

The group mentioned "Unlock" are said to be "looking for other cases".

Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 11:04

This kind of thing is exactly what UKTELI was set up to do.

2BorNot2Bvocal · 09/09/2018 11:05

Can someone explain how importuning is different to prostitution? They were in a clip joint presumably money was involved?

Tanith · 09/09/2018 11:10

As it stands at present, you’re legally obliged to reveal all previous names. It includes names before marriage and changes by deedpoll. For a number of reasons, I would like to forget my previous name before I married. I must still disclose it for a DBS check.

This does rely on people being honest. However, it’s an offence to fail to disclose relevant details or to give false information and it’s an offence they take very seriously.

StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2018 11:11

What I mean though is if women can have penises and that is completely normal a v uninteresting then of course penis - specific convictions could validly be in a woman's record.
But they want them removed. As they know full well women don't have penises.

Ereshkigal · 09/09/2018 11:14

They know no one else believes it either. But I'm not so charitable as to think they will only do this for privacy reasons.

StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2018 11:15

Well exactly. It's such an amazing coincidence that previous sex offences would be wiped from their records. We can trust these people though, right?
Let's hope this is laughed out of court.

StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2018 11:16

And by 'these people' I mean the MEN who are using the trans agenda for their own ends. I feel very sorry for genuine trans women at the moment who are aligned with this lot.

Processedpea · 09/09/2018 11:17

Wtf!

BeyondAnOmnishambles · 09/09/2018 11:36

"Helen’s barrister, Claire McCann, said disclosure of offences that revealed Helen’s birth gender in criminal record checks was “severe and discriminatory interference with Helen’s right to respect for her private life”."

So, Helen is concerned about Helens right to a private life - nobody knowing that Helen is in fact trans...

Helen weighed up a few people at the DBS end (who have no idea who Helen is) having access to that info, versus a controversial legal case and the predictable nationwide press coverage that would ensue, and decided the legal case was the best way forward...?

Umm... Confused

2BorNot2Bvocal · 09/09/2018 11:58

[[http://www.industriallawsociety.org.uk/ils_events/149 Clarie McCann self-promoting earlier this year.
I can see why this could become a very lucrative income stream, for all the wrong reasons.

BeefTomato · 09/09/2018 12:41

I need to stop being shocked at things like this. Every day more and more evidence to show that the safety of women and children is far less important than the feelings of these men.

IrmaFayLear · 09/09/2018 14:03

I just had a look at the Unlock website, to see who is donating to them. There is big money somewhere financing these Trojan Horse cases.

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