Counter stickers where trans women say they will throw bricks!

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I feel this slogan was misjudged.

I've only ever heard it applied to women in the UK. I don't think a lot of UK people would make that association.

Are these stickers actually produced and endorsed by trans women??

By and large, they're stickers for people who are 'woke' to the dense history of what it represents.

1 Contesting the origins of Stonewall.
2 Knowing that 1) involves dissent as to the individual which involves
3 Race
4 Trans/drag status
5 Gay/lesbian status
6 A brick was involved (and the preferred origin story to the punch)
7 Stonewall is the reason for the rainbow

And so much more...Can't really see those stickers garnering understanding at a glance in public places...

Honestly, if I saw one of those, it looks like such a negative message, that my first assumption would be that it had been made by someone who’s anti-trans.
That was my thought too, or they they were going to pretend GC people were sticking the stickers accusing them of violence.

Uppity makes me think of Mr Men. My immediate connotations are more classist rather than sexist or racist.

I've known in used in a similar context in the UK (particularly when some branches of Teds crossed over to embrace the Confederate flag and its politics in some groups). I've certainly come across it in novels and dramatisations.

Yep, 'Uppity' is Racist

Beck seemed unaware "uppity" was a term racist southerners used for black people who didn't know their place. In fairness, a lot of people don't know for sure whether "uppity" is racist. Various forms of the question "Is uppity racist?" is a very popular on Yahoo Answers. But a little more digging could help these guys out. The most liked and most disliked definition at Urban Dictionary notes that "uppity" is often followed by the n-word. Maybe these media guys don't know how to Google. Even so, they've had a lot of practice with uppity in recent years.

Sometimes women get described as "uppity" too, or children. "She was an uppity little madam," that kind of thing. I agree its origins are racist, though.

NB - As a note to the above - the Barbican photography exhibition earlier this year, Another Kind of Life: life on the margins had a room with Chris Steele-Perkins' photographs of Teds.

A lot of them were about social events, dance, music but they included shots of Teds who embraced the Confederate flag and politics and had the flag as the backdrop on the raised dais at events/meetings.

I'm not saying it's not racist in USA.
I'm just not sure that in the UK it's got the same connotations,
But I'm white so I don't know.

I've been called uppity before, more than once, and it's been a man slagging off woman thing.

It's not a word I use (for obvious reasons!) - maybe if we tell men it's racist they will stop using it?

What is a Ted?

A Teddy boy?

I know it has racist usage in the US, but I've only ever heard it used re women here. But again - white - so I admit I could have missed it.

I'd thought of it like fanny or fag til now, but happy (well, you know what I mean!) if that's wrong.

Uppity makes me think of Mr Men. My immediate connotations are more classist rather than sexist or racist.

Yes. Although in the US it definitely has racist connotations, to me, in the UK, it's classist (rather even than sexist)

Anyone having 'ideas above their station' is being uppity. Not that it's a word I've ever used, or would consider using (what with being working class and moving more into middle class through opportunity and education - ie. not staying in my place at all myself, it wouldn't occur to me to suggest other people had a place they should stay in)

I've heard feminists describe themselves as "those uppity women, causing trouble again" kind of thing in a roll eyes sense. I don't think it really works for trans as there isn't a quiet and compliant stereotype for trans people to rebel out of.

Yes it is about class originally prob but definitely has morphed
I've never heard it used about a man

In women it is about them acting above their station / behaving as if they are in a "better" class, the "better" class in this case beign Male.

It is always used about women who have the temerity to think they have as much right to speak as / as much right to debate as / are allowed to argue with a man.

When talking oppressed class, sex and race are included.

So yes, it’s used in reference to all three, and in American, it’s very much associated with race. It’s never a compliment.

Being trans does not exist on an axis of oppression (although trans people are of course marginalised), so it’s meaningless to use it in this context.

ie white men can't be "uppity" in any part of teh world even with the ? different meanings that different countries more commonly use

Is that right?

Well apart from WC white men nothing, class is included

I think Betty's first line is supposed to read "When talking oppression, class, sex and race are included"

I guess a working class white man could be considered uppity but it would have to be an accusation from the mouth of an Oxbridge Tory or a member of the aristocracy? Probably in the context of a mouthy servant!

These (fake) nails make typing awkward

I can definitely remember a male servant being called uppity in a period drama (though no idea what it was)

Yes, Teds are Teddy Boys but Teds did more widely include the women as well.

I may be more sensitive to 'Uppity' for family reasons relating to music hall performance etc. and people working as B&W Minstrels.

For more of the use of "uppity" and ethnocentric stereotypes (tho' I can't quote any of the more relevant parts because of the language): Anti-Black Racism in British Popular Music 1880-1920

journals.openedition.org/rfcb/674

Shout out to another exhibition that didn't shirk this - a recent one in the British Library about Music Halls and Variety.

And, I cringe to remember just how long the Black and White Minstrel Show ran on BBC - 1958-78.

Lenny Henry had a 2-part about the show earlier this year, iirc.

Lower classes, children, PoC and women can all be pejoratively termed 'uppity'. The Mr Uppity from Mr Men was an upper class person, and the 'Uppity' was a mocking reference, like maybe 'Toff' would be too.

It's a very odd word to use in the context of the stickers, because it implies that the action that would produce the term is something that the 'Uppity' person shouldn't think they have a right to do.

And given that the action described is to be pre-emptively violent, no one has a right to do that.

Arranfan, I definitely get your reference points,

My ex husband was born on the Alabama/Georgia border and ‘uppity’ is definitely racist when said in a southern US accent.

I don't know anythign about teddy boys apart from that bloke on hi de hi

As above, I think the use of "uppity" on the sticker requires a pretty deep knowledge of the contested history around who threw the brick/punch credited with being the origins of Stonewall.

Ted Bovis!

Yes he was even called Ted.

That is literally all I know about Teddy boys - what I learnt from watching that in the 80s lol