TWAW *except* when it comes to violent porn

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Suzzan Blac has gone hunting for videos of transwomen being treated appallingly in porn and not found any (note: sexual images, and a set of filmed rape violent porn showing abuse of a female). It's almost like transwomen are not women for the purposes of abuse on camera.

speakingwoman, it's enlightening in the worst way, isn't it? All that visceral, violent, thuggish sexual hate.

Anti-porn women were accused in another thread of just being jealous if their partner was viewing porn, but I am so far from envying those women. I would actually be a little scared of any partner I had who viewed this stuff because it would be betraying a very dark heart indeed.

All I can say is that porn is presumably about transgression.
Trans sex presumably still has a sufficient air of transgression about it to warrant masturbation.
But a woman enjoying sex isn’t arousing enough....

It was a fascinating post - and readers with queasy stomachs are wise to avoid it! Somebody kindly made a Reddit post containing only the text, here: amp.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/99i4kb/a_comparison_between_straight_and_trans/

If the porn you are watching shows the woman crying, saying stop or no, or disassociated, you are watching RAPE. If she is in pain and not expressly requesting that the pain be continued, you are watching rape.

I'm committing this to memory for the future, when I'll have to sit down and try to explain to my beautiful baby boys that the images of sex and women that our society and their peers are telling them is acceptable and desirable, is in fact, deeply damaging to them, their relationships and the women around them .

I'd be terrified if I was a young teen girl at the moment. I'm scared for my boys.

SausageOnAFork Suzzan Blac's work will convince your husband, I think.

FloralBunting, 2cats2many I will endeavour in future to find or provide a text-only copy.

SpeakingWoman YY. I don't think I'll bother with another bf tbh.

Anti-porn women were accused in another thread of just being jealous if their partner was viewing porn, but I am so far from envying those women. I would actually be a little scared of any partner I had who viewed this stuff

The jealousy comment was one of the stupidest things I've read on here.

"A little scared" doesn't begin to describe what my reaction would be.

Yes. I have the curse of English understatement.

Suzzan is doing brilliant work, but OP, you should have warned in the opening post and pointed out that women reading her work should employ self care. Suzzan is very quick to point that out herself, and I had a wonderful conversation with her on Twitter about her work where she also reminded me to look after myself when reading it.

It is disturbing. But it’s also vital work. And I wish more people knew this was the reality. There is, at best, a tendency for people to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that porn isn’t horrendous, just because they might personally not watch. That’s giving other people a free pass to carry on.

They should be held accountable.

"All I can say is that porn is presumably about transgression.
Trans sex presumably still has a sufficient air of transgression about it to warrant masturbation.
But a woman enjoying sex isn’t arousing enough...."

I disagree.

It's no more complex than an on film reflection of how lots of men (even ones who seem "nice" and "normal") feel about women.

Your point feels like a get-out.

No - it's because lots of men get off on seeing women and girls degraded, hurt, damaged by a man or men >> and even more so when the men are doing this through sex.
A certain amount of "porn" doesn't even have sex in it at all, apart from the women being naked or in skimpy clothes, while they are forced to do something revolting or harmful.
Then groups of men watch these clips together in the pub >> most men will look and be "grossed out" at what the women are having to do. They don't, strangely, share clips of men doing this stuff.

I clicked on the link - and have very mixed feelings about having done so. The content is extremely distressing and I wish I didn't have those images now lodged in my brain. However, I am glad to be more informed on how today's mainstream porn consists predominantly of women being tortured and raped. How is this legal?!

A quick 'antiporn' Google lead me here:
www.womenssupportproject.co.uk/content/pornography/206,172/

Surely much of the content of PornHub falls under the description of extreme pornographic material on the basis that it causes severe injury, and should therefore be illegal? And if it doesn't, then what the fuck does?!

That Womens Support Project link has further links and suggests ways to help combat porn.

Bloody hell, just realised I've now picked up another issue to be extremely angry about.

Julie Bindel is good on porn - I've heard her speak and there were slides so I feel I don't need to click the link,

Sadly she is not good on children but we can't be all things to all people!

Sorry, I was so shocked by discovering how utterly vile and inhumane mainstream porn is, that I missed the specific point of the thread... The misogyny of the transgender movement is so blatant, it's all there, hiding in plain sight.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but the images and descriptions from the linked blog post (and some of the other posts but particularly the last video described on the linked post) come up in my mind quite a lot and really distress me and I just don't understand why PornHub happily hosts that content, why it's legal to show awful domestic violence (whether staged or not) for entertainment purposes, why nobody really seems to care that this is so easily accessible by children, why some men hate us so much that they masturbate to our torture (seriously, it's not even sex, it's just torture, but because someone masturbates to it, that makes it hunky-dory?), why some feminists (!) avidly extol the virtues of 'kink' and promote porn. I'm bringing a daughter into this world and feel sick with fear and guilt if I'm honest. I can't deal with the fact that porn is so violent and misogynistic but so mainstream. I feel like I'm crazy for being one of the few people out there to think unfettered access to this is not good for any of us. I really hope the new law coming into force - if indeed it ever does - at least deters some people and especially children who haven't started viewing it yet.

I wish I'd never read those blog posts but, far more, I wish those videos and demand for those videos didn't exist. I can't believe such violent abuse is par for the course on one of the most visited websites in the world and that so many people evidently see nothing wrong with it.

I wish I'd never read those blog posts but, far more, I wish those videos and demand for those videos didn't exist. I can't believe such violent abuse is par for the course on one of the most visited websites in the world and that so many people evidently see nothing wrong with it.

I'm sorry. I find this subject very distressing also.

they masturbate to our torture - exactly. That's the only description for it. It's just horrible. Very disturbing.

I have two boys and really worry about them. They are so sweet and kind just now - will they turn into horrible people who watch videos of women being tortured??

I agree sausage - porn seems to have changed in the 15yrs since i last looked. The violent stuff was around then, but it wasnt as extreme or common as it seems to be now. I worry for my daughter tbh :( sex used to be about liking each other, didnt it?

This line from that article struck me.

If men could legally kill women on film..then they would.

This is true. I really fucking believe this.

You can buy lube with numbing action and spray to numb your throat.
A young woman in Australia now has a colostomy bag after trying to reenact porn.
Men are getting away with murder because "it was a sex game gone wrong"
Will we ever pull it back?

This doesn't work in the opposite direction.

Porn titles featuring a 22yo UK FTM

'FEMALE TO MALE [name redacted] RESTRAINED AND ANALLED ROUGHLY'

'Female to male sub [name redacted] strapped for toying'

'FTM [name redacted] fucked hard bareback -'

'Trans Boy [name redacted] Gets A Buzzing! '

The various stills from these videos show the FTM (in I believe their first video?) restrained, hung from meat hooks, being strangled, tied up in some sort of meat processing factory with hooks, wrapped fully in black plastic.

I do really honestly hope that we can pull things back, even as our leaders have voted to allow more violent porn in this country.

It just sickens me that the country’s leaders are wandering around giving themselves pats on the back for women getting the vote 100 years ago, while completely disregarding how hard the country is becoming for women and girls.