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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can TWAW be compared to being "colour blind"

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ABitCrapper · 07/09/2018 12:55

Please bare with me on this as I'm not sociologically educated, or as academic or literate as lots of you on here.
But I remember a time when lots of people used to say they didn't "see colour" and explain that racism didn't really exist in our culture any more.
And now people don't say that as actually we need to recognise that BAME people experience racism, microagressions, discrimination and unconscious prejudice.

So people currently are saying TWAW, or not "seeing sex" but gender. When actually we need to acknowledge the differences in order to protect against discrimination etc. Against transwomen and women in various situations.

So could TWAW be seen as a meaning-well but ultimately unhelpful message to profess.

And if we take this tack, rather than a more confrontational approach (speaking for both TRAs and GC here) then there might be a better chance of meaningful dialogue.

Or am I just niaive and hopelessly optimistic?

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FloralBunting · 07/09/2018 22:28

ABit, well we're not a hive mind so there's nothing stopping you giving it a go.

Tbh, I don't think there is a silver bullet that will suddenly reveal the truth to everyone. Life isn't like that - you just have to keep plugging away with the truth the best you can, and hopefully the GC view will reach critical mass before too much damage has been done.

Ereshkigal · 07/09/2018 22:29

Even the law says TW are LEGALLY women

Male GRC holders, I assume you mean?

ABitCrapper · 07/09/2018 22:33

No there is no silver bullet I know. But even if there was i also know a few "old school" transsexuals that I do not want to get thrown under a bus in the backlash. Yet I have small daughters and worry for their futures as well.

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UpstartCrow · 07/09/2018 22:38

At which point the physical danger they pose to women is substantially reduced.

I dont agree. Surgery just alters a person's appearance, not their character.

Materialist · 07/09/2018 22:43

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JellySlice · 07/09/2018 22:53

Sure, they can still be aggressive or violent, Upstart, but they cannot rape without s penis.

A male who has taken such extreme steps seems to me more likely to be genuine in their desire to be womanlike, and therefore not be seeking to harm women, than a self-IDed intact male demanding validation or a pervert taking advantage of unfettered access to females.

UndercoverGC · 07/09/2018 23:56

In my fairly extensive experience, most trans people don't agree with the extreme TRAs. Groups like 'Action for Trans Health' are more likely to get eye-rolling than enthusiastic support. It's similar to the way a lot of vegans dislike PETA for pulling stunts which make vegans look ridiculous, and have many negative external effects.
Like the rest of us, many trans people are scared of the extreme TRAs. Anyone who steps out of line is called 'TruScum', will be subject to a vicious and very public campaign against them, online and off. Given the average trans person is likely to be particularly keen to keep their head down and not attract extra attention to their being trans, this is particularly nasty.

There's a lot of us on the 'woke lefty' side who are going along with the TWAW not as true believers, but because we're scared not to. I've been very carefully starting to subtly stick my nose above the parapet, and very often find people reciprocating, hugely relieved that they aren't the only ones, that there's somebody else that they can talk to. 'I'm probably going to get slaughtered as a transphobe for saying this - but bodies do matter for who I want to have sex with'. 'Undercover feminist rant club'.
If the most extreme TRAs were gone, if we weren't afraid of being entirely socially isolated, if there were a few more examples of people not going along and still being allowed to exist in peace, many more of us 'woke lefties' would be openly GC. I'm disappointed in my 'tribe' for being so narrowly conformist, but the level of bullying and intimidation is frightening. So is the selective information. It's easy to believe 'it never happens' if nobody can talk about when it does.

It is ironic that it's the extreme TRAs who call other trans people scum. I've not seen that from GC feminists. The Internet is a big place, it might be out there somewhere. But the routine dehumanisation of people who disagree, including trans people, seems to be a TRA thing.

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