Another example of why trans rights, data collection, and identity need to be considered carefully

[PineappleSunrise]

Transgender woman's bank account frozen as she 'sounded like man'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-45406e17

Reading the story, I have sympathy for the person affected by this. It sounds like she officially notified the bank of her identity change and its nature, so in the name of good customer service the bank should have been able to reconcile the male voice and the female name/pronouns.

But this is a good example of why social media slogans like TWAW/nodebate are useless for working how the real world needs to work to protect people from crime and to collect and maintain accurate data.

Lots of TRAs make it clear that they don't want any reference at all, recorded anywhere, to an individuals "assigned at birth" gender or previous identity. We have already seen how that impacts the way that some news stories have been reported. People here have asked what that would mean for future stats, only to be told that TIMs were "always women" so should be recorded as female in all cases.

Here we can see a solid, real world example of where everyone being in the know on an individual's trans status would actually HELP the individual by giving an organisation enough information to be appropriately respectful, while still giving the bank a way to verify identity and protect the account. (And notice that the BBC does say "transwoman", not "woman" - and the whole story is immediately clear right from the headline onwards.)

As I know many sensible posters on here have been saying this for ages, but: there are real complexities here to work through. Shutting down discussion and reducing everything to one-sided soundbites doesn't help anyone.

Didn't think you were having a dig, not at all, thought you were helpfully pointing out a mistake I'd made!

Here's hoping I don't get into trouble, or, at least, that if I do, the naughty step is big, as I said, I am fat.

I'm half on the naughty step at the moment, might see you there.I'll bring gin and cheese!

I have posh crackers, some posh wee chocolates and some cushions.

Excellent! Now .... back to the thread, sorry for the derail everybody.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!" Marmion

No, not wee chocolates, not good.
thebewilderness
I have always thought that was a quote from Shakespeare.

As I understand it that is a very common error with Scott's work, Prestonsflowers.

I can never get voice recognition systems to work for me

I'm channeling Kathleen Turner today because I have a cold so I'm Mrs huskyvoice. I doubt my own mother would recognize me on the phone.

I'm sure this incident was very frustrating for the person involved, but fucksake, that's what happens when reality bumps up against personal quirky identities. You can either pout about your ever-so-special personal circumstances not being taken into account, or you can have your account emptied by the next fraudster who thinks of a clever excuse to get round security checks. Dear lord I do wonder how some of these people function in the real world.

The Iron Rule of prudence for an Istanbulite Woman: If you are as fragile as a tea glass, either find a way to never encounter burning water and hope to marry an ideal husband or get yourself laid and broken as soon as possible. Alternatively, stop being a tea-glass woman!
― Elif Shafak, The Bastard of Istanbul

The voice for me is the primary indicator of a person's sex. I am very sensitive to sound and even ftm's who have taken so much T that their voice has "broken" I can tell the difference. Mtf's who have had the vocal surgery like BW and KH do my head in because I can't believe they're trans even though I know they are. Their voices are so convincing.