Jenni Russell in The Times: We haven't a clue how to stop abusive men

[ErrolTheDragon]

I though some of you might want to see/discuss this:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-haven-t-a-clue-how-to-stop-abusive-men-jq0zmlqt7?shareToken=f28742b33ae8bf7b2d7fb5ce73d6d562

And also, there's another piece which probably deserves its own thread but I don't want to start two

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/marriage-age-could-rise-to-18-in-bid-to-prevent-forced-weddings-abroad-tnhwgkbrt?shareToken=3049063c741b57d90b7828e1d0f2a0ef

Does putting the word 'domestic' in front of 'abuse' act to trivialise offences, perhaps?

Abuse is abuse. Its context doesn't change the impact on the victim.

Yes, like 'domestic science'.

Its context doesn't change the impact on the victim.

The Sentencing Council guidelines referred to say that the context does matter - DV is worse.

Here's the guidelines

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/news/item/sentencing-council-publishes-new-guideline-on-domestic-abuse/

The Sentencing Council guidelines referred to say that the context does matter - DV is worse.

In which case, those sentences given for it are even more derisory, aren't they?

It beggars belief that there's such a lack of appraisal of the rehab. programmes.

I like the indirect emphasis that intimate partner violence can occur to anyone, including otherwise privileged professionals.

Nonetheless, while discussing the closure of refuges, I'd have like a mention of the intersection of the Children's Act with austerity - such that women who report the violence but can not take the children to another safe place are finding themselves in the position of being at fault for endangering the children. Tho' there's nowhere to take them - and it's be a nightmare waiting for Universal Credit/whatever to catch up with changed circumstances.

No. Why would anyone think that the early showing in the comments of, "What about the men and the women who goad them" plus the whataboutery of JT"s failure to denounce the amount of research money spent on breast cancer v. prostate cancer is at all indicative of some posters inability to do anything but make it all about them? And to be wholly unaware that such entitled egocentricity is a small flag that they may, themselves, have some attitudes that make their behaviour a little troubling?

There's a group of men for whom whinging about how unfair it is that women are slightly less oppressed than we used to be on news articles appears to be a full time job.

Nonetheless, while discussing the closure of refuges, I'd have like a mention of the intersection of the Children's Act with austerity - such that women who report the violence but can not take the children to another safe place are finding themselves in the position of being at fault for endangering the children.

And if someone could remind the woke brigade that this is what intersectionality actually is, I'd be most grateful.

2 women a week murdered by men they know?

Agree, we don't have a fucking clue.

Great sad article but right on the money - where I am perpetrator programs get very well funded - often seemingly easier than services for women - why? Coz it's for menz but they are totally ineffective. It's as though the men deserve more treatment for their crimes than their victims if they are fortunate enough to survive.

The answer is really really simple - there have only been two things that limit abusive men - sequestering all of their assets immediately and monitoring their movements. I think their assets should be taken by the government and given to their victims wholesale. That would start to be a fit punishment, as would making them having their whereabouts monitored and being under curfew. Watch the menz squeal when these are suggested.

2 women a week murdered by men they know?

I would like to see the source but Refuge claims:

That every day almost 30 women attempt suicide as a result of experiencing domestic violence

That every week three women take their own lives to escape abuse

That there is currently no ‘liability for suicide’ law under which an abusive partner can be prosecuted for the suicide of their victim?"

www.refuge.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/more-refuge-campaigns/taking-lives/

That's a Refuge stat. Sad one, too. www.refuge.org.uk/our-work/forms-of-violence-and-abuse/domestic-violence/domestic-violence-the-facts/

Karen Ingala Smith is a remarkably resilient woman who runs "counting dead women" on twitter. Worth a follow, if only to mark the injustices levied on these women and their children.

If two women a week were killed by raisins something would be done about raisins.

That's a Refuge stat. Sad one, too.

I realised that - I was adding in the attempted/suicides as part of the overall horror and the wide-ranging impact. If we had 30 women a week attempting suicide and that was linked to a medication, it would have been pulled from the dispensary long, long ago. And there would be class actions.

Ah, sorry, so you did - that was perfectly clear.

Yes, agreed.

And the impact on the kids too. Utterly destructive for society.

The Times is repeatedly covering issues important to women with some major investigations - sexual abuse of children in Scotland, forced marriage, women being silenced and now DV
They really are starting to expose what is happening (although of course some of the below the line commentators are not happy )

Ffs. We don't have a clue how to stop abusive men? Maybe we need to do something about the open collusion of society in general with the abuse?

If
-We don't fund refuges
-We don't believe survivors
-We don't prosecute abusers
-We don't adequately punish even those abusers who are prosecuted
-We make excuses for men who murder
-We allow the family courts to be used as a medium for continued abuse
-I'm sure this list isn't exhaustive
We are condoning the abuse

Why would they stop, when almost all the messages they receive tell them that their behaviour is acceptable?