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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

James Kirkup on the Green Party's meltdown

100 replies

TimeLady · 04/09/2018 09:32

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/how-caroline-lucas-fell-foul-of-the-transgender-thought-police/

Go James!

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speakingwoman · 04/09/2018 12:18

v good.

Let's give Lionel Shriver her own thread?

happydappy2 · 04/09/2018 12:30

AH will be fuming-he is such a muppet!
Thanks James.

MangoSplit · 04/09/2018 12:31

Excellent article. Thank you James and The Spectator.

NotBadConsidering · 04/09/2018 12:33

Sometimes they have biscuits too.

But I noticed on one twitter thread linked here that someone offered Jaffa Cakes. Jaffa Cakes might look like biscuits, be in similar packaging to biscuits, be sold in the biscuit aisle of Terfblocker-deserving Asda, but they are definitely not biscuits. They’re cakes. They go stale as they get old. It’s ok to be a cake. You just can’t change bakery.

CAAKE · 04/09/2018 12:54

Oh hurrah for the grilling of Harrup 👏👏👏

MediocreOne · 04/09/2018 13:38

Wow, that's his best article yet!

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 14:40

Jaffa cakes are indeed cakes and were, on balance decided to be so in the famous case with the taxman:

Customs and Excise [now HMRC] had accepted since the start of VAT that Jaffa cakes were zero-rated as cakes, but always had misgivings about whether this was correct. [Customs and Revenue decide they're actually biscuits, Mcvities successfully appeal at Tribunal] The Tribunal listed the factors it considered in coming to a decision as follows.

The product’s name was a minor consideration.

Ingredients: Cake can be made of widely differing ingredients, but Jaffa cakes were made of an egg, flour, and sugar mixture which was aerated on cooking and was the same as a traditional sponge cake. It was a thin batter rather than the thicker dough expected for a biscuit texture.

Cake would be expected to be soft and friable; biscuit would be expected to be crisp and able to be snapped. Jaffa cakes had the texture of sponge cake.

Size: Jaffa cakes were in size more like biscuits than cakes.

Packaging: Jaffa cakes were sold in packages more similar to biscuits than cakes.

Marketing: Jaffa cakes were generally displayed for sale with biscuits rather than cakes.

On going stale, a Jaffa cake goes hard like a cake rather than soft like a biscuit.

Jaffa cakes are presented as a snack, eaten with the fingers, whereas a cake may be more often expected to be eaten with a fork. They also appeal to children, who could eat one in a few mouthfuls rather like a sweet.

The sponge part of a Jaffa cake is a substantial part of the product in terms of bulk and texture when eaten. Taking all these factors into account, Jaffa cakes had characteristics of both cakes and biscuits, but the tribunal thought they had enough characteristics of cakes to be accepted as such, and they were therefore zero-rated

Who says tax isn't exciting

VickyEadie · 04/09/2018 14:47

Jaffa cake tip: they're much nicer if you keep them in the fridge.

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 14:48

Anyway Blush bravo James K

if you want more jaffa cake tax chat

VickyEadie · 04/09/2018 14:49

Sorry, didn't mean to derail!

James Kirkup needs as much encouragement as possible, as one of the few (but apparently increasing) voices of sanity in the media.

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 14:56

refrigerated jaffa cakes sound amazing Vicky

TimeLady · 04/09/2018 15:02

As the OP, I was beginning to think I was being called a troll. Grin

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lucydogz · 04/09/2018 15:06

Great article. As ever. Who'd have thought the Spectator would be printing this, while the Guardian's coverage is pathetic?

Anlaf · 04/09/2018 15:06

Grin Time

arranfan · 04/09/2018 15:08

I just wanted to give a shout out for James Kirkup's work on social care, particularly looked-after children and how we're going to care for an ageing population that are also areas where safeguarding is in a mess.

Jaffa cake tip: they're much nicer if you keep them in the fridge.

Never had them, but I hear from many sources that frozen Girl Scout Thin Mints are a treat

Enthusiasm for US Girl Scout Cookies

VickyEadie · 04/09/2018 15:10

As the OP, I was beginning to think I was being called a troll.

Sorry, sorry! I'm just a massive Jaffa cake fan.

On related matters - where did I see that cartoon with two polar bears and a Green party helicopter, with one polar bear saying they'd asked for her/his (see what I did there?) pronouns?

arranfan · 04/09/2018 15:17

where did I see that cartoon with two polar bears and a Green party helicopter

Pg 29 GreenParty Thread 3

RedToothBrush Tue Sep 04 10:20:38 BST 2018

loveyouradvice · 04/09/2018 15:36

This has made my day!!!

Could I love James K any more??? DH getting jealous....

Endess quotable chunks.... Loved this one... a classic! And was that a wee nod to the Mumsnetters amongst them??

To people with a slightly firmer grip on reality, WPUK are a bunch of ordinary women who talk earnestly about equality law and can’t quite believe that the politicians who are supposed to represent them aren’t doing their jobs and debating this stuff themselves. Sometimes they have biscuits too.

VickyEadie · 04/09/2018 15:38

arranfan

Thanks!

Vickyyyy · 04/09/2018 15:38

As always on this issue, spot on Grin

LadybirdsAreBirds · 04/09/2018 15:41

Thank you James. Again

Knicknackpaddyflak · 04/09/2018 15:43

Oh James Grin Flowers Keep it up. Please.

CigarsofthePharoahs · 04/09/2018 16:24

Really good article.

EnormousDormouse · 04/09/2018 16:33

So over the past year I have stopped reading the Guardian (been reading since I was an early teen and I'm now late 40s); and last weekend I took out a subscription to The Spectator.
Strange times.

AspieAndProud · 04/09/2018 16:39

Jaffa cakes are cakes. #NoDebate