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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anne Lister plaque to be reworded

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NotBadConsidering · 04/09/2018 01:50

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/03/plaque-for-first-modern-lesbian-to-be-reworded-after-complaints

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thewitchofwentworth · 04/09/2018 02:15

But it still doesn't sound like they are going to call her a lesbian. Quoting the York LGBT Forum statement (see lines in bold);

Following a planned meeting of York Civic Trust, the Churches Conservation Trust, York LGBT Forum and York LGBT History Month, all four partners wish to publicly share our agreed way forward to address the concerns raised with us relating to the wording of the first permanent Rainbow Plaque in York.

The wording on the plaque which commemorates Anne Lister and Ann Walker taking sacrament at Holy Trinity Church has received a huge amount of feedback, which we, the partners, wish to take time to address. The plaque is intended to be a positive celebration of the union of Anne Lister and Ann Walker, and this remains the case. The last thing we wanted to do was to cause offence or upset to any community. As such, we have jointly taken the decision to change the wording on the plaque, taking into account the feedback we have received.

To ensure an open and transparent process, the partners intend to move forward in the following way:

• The partners will consult with key historians and experts on the works of Anne Lister to develop alternative wording.

• Any proposed wording will be based on the following principles:

• It will recognise the union of Anne and Ann, which is directly related to the taking of sacrament at Holy Trinity Church.

• It will reflect as accurately as possible Anne’s own view of herself.

• It will where possible be based on the words Anne chose to describe herself, her actions and her lifestyle.

• All wording will be checked for historical accuracy by academic experts who have extensively studied Anne’s work prior to consultation.

• The proposed wording, along with an explanation of how it has been chosen, will be shared for public comment, and revised in light of public feedback before being finalised.

• A clear governance process has been agreed by the four partners to consider the consultation findings and approve the final wording prior to casting.

• The partners aim to have a new plaque in place by Spring 2019.

• The existing plaque will remain as a placeholder until the consultation has taken place in order to show our commitment to commemorating Anne Lister and Ann Walker’s union at Holy Trinity. This in no way should be interpreted as hesitancy in changing the wording on the final plaque.

If you wish to take part in the consultation please register your interest by joining the mailing list at eepurl.com/dCzwyP

Turph · 04/09/2018 02:34

Fine. Everyone can register and we'll all discuss it. One of the original groups, York LGBT Forum or York LGBT History Month, I can't remember which, had a governing committee that was majority trans. So really unless a plurality of lesbians and other interested women come forward, the wording will probably not mention anything to do with lesbians.
I'd argue the strongest case for mentioning that she was a lesbian is that they saw fit originally to call her gender non-conforming. Whereas if they'd stuck to what she did, there would have been no issue. And now if they do that it looks like lesbian erasure.

BeefyCakes · 04/09/2018 03:01

The BBC are saying they're going to add lesbian.

thewitchofwentworth · 04/09/2018 03:45

The BBC do not say that. Quoting their article;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-45397536

The trust said following a meeting with the Churches Conservation Trust, York LGBT Forum and York LGBT History Month a joint decision was made to "change the wording on the plaque".

At no point in the article (or any other article) does it say what the wording will be changed to or that it will include that Anne Lister was a lesbian. The York LGBT forum is a trans led group (they have previously said that 4/5 of their leadership are trans). Do not trust them on this, they are still trying to avoid calling Anne a lesbian.

Ereshkigal · 04/09/2018 07:26

Why are they going to bother changing it at all if they're not going to address the main objection?

Evidencebased · 04/09/2018 08:49

Well let’s all sign up for the consultation, so that we can make it clear we are not in favour of lesbian erasure.

BeefyCakes · 04/09/2018 11:22

Many apologies I completely misread the article.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 11:26

This does not require a panel. The only thing that would require a panel is working out how to word it without saying lesbian.

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